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Welcome to the podcast, to be named later, where we explore the world of conversation at a time, sit back and enjoy. Here are your hosts Chris and Kelly.

Kelly:
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the podcast to be named later. We've been on a bit of a off season hiatus, I guess as we seem to follow the NFL, but I'm here in Wisconsin and Chris is ready to go out in California. Chris, I haven't talked to you for a bit. How? You been man? I've been really good, Kelly.
Chris:
I'm excited to chat with you again.
Kelly:
Yeah, looking forward to it. You know, Chris, I was just telling you, it's summertime obviously here and the northern hemisphere of the US and the planet. And I don't know, every time the summer rolls around and I'm working, I always think back to those few kind of sweet spot years of childhood. Maybe I don't know. Maybe age 11 or 12 up to about 1617. Probably old enough to kind of enjoy the world, but young enough not to have too many responsibilities and no school and everything else. So summer was always kind of one of my favorite seasons. How about you?
Chris:
100% I think for every kid, they look forward to summer or very close to every kid. Maybe not 100% of them. But yeah, I got a 14 year old son and you know, he was counting down the hours as the school year was winding down and couldn't wait to clear out his locker and not have to carry textbooks home anymore. And. Yeah, I remember those days, man. I mean, it was beautiful. You just couldn't wait for right for. And you a lot of times you kind of coast through that last week. You know, there might be some tests mixed in there, but you know, the teachers generally take it pretty easy on you down down the stretch and you kind of coast to the finish line. And yeah, I just remember that feeling. Man. When you're finally done and it's like especially when the summer. First starts you know day 1234. It's like man, the whole summer is still in front of you. Who knows what you're going to do, you know? And. Back when I was a younger kid like you're talking 10/11/12, you know you had to be creative and you know, everyone was out of school. So you just kind of met up with your buddies out in the front yard or, you know, or or sometimes you had, like, a park you would meet or something and you'd show up and there'd be a group of people there. And then you just, I don't know what do you want to do today. We'll figure it out.
Kelly:
Yeah, we were pretty lucky where I grew up. I mean, you know, the town in Fonda Lac, Wisconsin and you know where my parents house was. I mean two blocks in One Direction was a a school where you could go out, play ball, do whatever and talk about that in a second two to three blocks in another direction. Was the. Public swimming pool and you know, back in those days it was like 1/4 to go swimming. And a couple blocks in the other direction was a newer park that they had just made for those in Finland called Buttermilk Creek. And we had a neighborhood of a bunch of kids, man. And, you know, we pretty much be outside from morning till, I don't know. Later in the night playing different games or things like that. I always do remember, though, that what we used to call playground, I think. But really, I don't even think they do this anymore, but at least where I grew up in Fonda Lac, back in the day, the schools most of the elementary schools. Had a couple of I know they were probably college age people that would run these rec programs and they had a combination of like board games. You know, athletic games, and there was just activities all day long that you could go up to the playground and do and they would take the occasional field trip, you know, but whether, you know, they had a couple of things that I always remember. They had one that they called box hockey. You know, basically use a popsicle stick in a checker and you add a little. Wooden kind of. Board if you will, with some holes in these boards that ran horizontally across it and you try and shoot a checker like from your end of the board, bounce it through all the holes, out the end of the other end and you know the other guy would be shooting back the other way. That was one. And then we played all kinds of games. Steal the flag, some dice game on a field where they shook it and you ran around. I don't know. And then in our neighborhood, we played a ton of games, hide and seek kickball played baseball of every form you can imagine. It was funny when I think back to that like we had a neighbor. So we play on his front porch and there we used a a tape ball, like basically a big ball made out of masking tape. Sometimes we've played a game called strikeout. Where one guy stands up against a brick wall, the other guy usually uses a tennis ball and he throws it and you know you bat it and depending on what happens if he catches or it bounces or all these other things, but pretty much any place you could hit a ball in a bat. We would use it and then in my case sometimes we even went above and beyond and didn't use a ball, but at that point I could see a tiny bit as you may or may not recall. So my brother Joel rest his soul and I when we played. We actually used a plastic milk jug in the backyard because that was big enough and it didn't fly far so far that I could both see it to hit it when he pitched it. And as long as the sun was shining behind me, you know, at my back when he hit it in a nice blue sky, that milk jug was very the contrast was great. So I could like see it to catch it. Or when it was on the green grass, easily find it. So yeah, we used to play milk jug ball.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean. You gotta be creative, right? And you, you know, you you don't have a high level of income as a 10 year old. A lot of times, right. So you gotta find this stuff. I can remember we used to take the popsicle sticks, you know. You you the ice cream man used to just be the highlight of the day. Right. So you hear that music? From like 12 blocks away and you know you, you scrounge up whatever change you could find and and beg your parents for like please can I just have 1/4 you know. And a lot of times you'd end up with a popsicle stick, and so, you know, anytime we could find some water in the gutter, you know, we decorate our popsicle sticks. We know we use markers or crayons or whatever. And they were basically like race cars at that point. And, you know, everyone would decorate their sticks and and we would raise them from my house. Down to and you couldn't go all the way to the stop sign. You had to stop just short and you had to run down there and catch it. Cause there was a storm drain. And if you if you're, you know, you're racing towards the storm drain, but you don't want to go in the storm drain cause then you you'd lose your your your racer right so. And of course, be me. Me being you know who I am and have always been. You know, I'd always see if I could win a little cash off of off of the people, but we drop them in the gutter and they they go, you know, floating down the the thing. But then, you know, you never knew if you were the guy who's going to get caught up on some sticks or some weeds or something that was growing out of the, you know, out of the concrete. You know the asphalt or something and and you know, it's kind of luck of the draw you might be in first, but then you get caught up, you know, in in something and then someone goes flying by you. You know, we we yeah, we played a lot of variations of baseball. It depends how many guys you got you. If you only you know if you got, if you got five or six guys, you know you can actually have a picture and but you can only hit to left field then, right? So you can have a short stop and a couple of outfielders or something. If you got some more guys, maybe get to play a game less guys, you know, you might play over the line or something, which is something we played quite a. Bit of same thing. We take a like a pair of socks. And then we just wrap a bunch of duct tape around them real tight, you know, and make a ball out of it and then you don't even need a glove or anything. And then if it hits a car, cause we'd play over the line in the street a lot. So now if you hit a car, you're not breaking a window. Right. And yeah, it was just fun times, man. You got to be creative. You got to use your brain. You know, that's something. You know, technology is fantastic and everything. And I mean, I use, I use my phone every single day and I'm glued to it like most humans are at this point. But, you know, I I remember the days when you had to be creative, man, you're bored, like, and you might sit around for an hour and like, not even know what to do. And you know, just kind of pulling grass out of the ground while you think of something up. And then next thing you know, you come up with an idea and and like, hey, who's in let's all go and. And, you know, you you either walk to a park or the pool or, you know, whatever you've decided you're going to do for the next, you know, chunk of time and. Then you know, then you're not bored again for three hours and and then you know you come back and. You know, maybe, you know, maybe you're having some dinner or whatever, and then, you know, stays light so late and it's summer. You got nothing to do. I got no job. I'm, I'm a kid. Right. And so, yeah, you get back and and then you'd be up all night, you know, doing other things, you know, and hide and seek at night was my favorite. And we played a lot of what we called bike ditch them so, you know. In my neighborhood, we all rode bicycles and. We, you know, we break into teams and then we, you know, we we set up the parameters like OK, 2:17 to 2:20 first, you know, no backyards, no houses. Cause guys would always.
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Chris:
Been looking for guys for an hour and you can't find them anywhere and then you go to Nick's house. And they're playing Atari and it's like you. Dude, that's that's much crap, man.
Kelly:
Yeah.
Chris:
So our rules were no, no backyards. You know, no backyards, no houses. Dude, you can't hide, you know, it's beg to ditch them. You got you. Can. Hide behind a Bush. But you know or behind a car. But you you don't get to like, go inside closed doors and yeah, man, it was just fun times, Kelly. Like you said, it was real freeing. You know, you you didn't have a mortgage or or you know, any of the. Adult things that we have, you know, as you get older and you know no real responsibilities, but like you kind of said like I could go, you know, long as I got some money I could go buy my own like junior burrito from the Mexican place or I could go, you know, go to the store and buy some bubble gum or, you know or, you know, I mean, I was just kind of free to, to live my life, you know. However, I saw fit that day.
Kelly:
Yeah, I mean, I guess you know, I mean times change and evolve. And I mean I think you know it was a little freer for kids at least where I grew up that you could do more and you know, $0.75 was a gold mine to go down to the store, man, I mean. You got $0.75 that's going to get you one big thing for 1/4, you know, and $0.50 like to spread across all kinds of stuff, you know, little candies or who knows what and you know, that's that's like a like I said, a gold mine. And.
Chris:
It's a little different now. Inflation has hit.
Kelly:
We were, yeah. We we were fortunate. To. I I'd have to think you know how many. But I'll bet you within a four to six year age range probably good. 11:50 kids in the neighborhood at different times that you know were involved in different activities. So whether that was the athletic stuff or you know. Hide and go see kick the can. Red Rover. Red Rover. That was a great game, huh? Yeah. Yeah. You don't see that one too much anymore, basically. Like while you run as fast as you can. We're going to try and close the line. You. Yeah, I mean here. Now imagine that I told you I could see a tiny bit. How you want to be on the other side. For me though, I can see a tiny bit, but it wasn't like I could aim for the arms between the people. So when I think back on that, that might have been a little while because I'm running full out towards this. You know, it's in the road. So I know I got to go that way and. I don't know. I I don't remember any injuries or anything but.
Chris:
What's the other thing, dude? I mean, you look, I look back at some of the choices that we made and the things that you know, I mean, simple things like right in the back of the. Pickup truck or? Something right? And it's just like, oh, oh, my gosh, you know, and I don't ever remember being hurt, dude. So, I mean, we did, you know, much more reckless things and. You know you're you're building these makeshift jumps for your bike, you know, with just like miscellaneous building materials that's laying around. And you know, you, you tipped a trash can over and you got a a piece of 2 by 6 and you know, you're pedaling top speed down the thing and. You know, a lot of times these jumps would just explode and then you you go tumbling across the asphalt and you know. But looking back, I I don't ever remember, like, actually getting hurt. I'm sure I was. I'm sure I came in with plenty of scrapes here and there and yeah, I used to dive off the chimney into the swimming pool and.
Kelly:
I don't know, man. I survived all of it. Yeah, the one of the favorite things. So school for those in final, like, Wisconsin. Elizabeth Water School again, which was two blocks away from my parents house. At some point in our childhood, they, like, put in all new black top at that school. And so my brother, my younger brother Joel and I, we do this thing that we called Bike and board. And this is when skateboards were in the 70s. You know, they weren't these big monster things they are. But one of us, and again I could, this was a big, big, wide open playground so I could see well enough to do this in either position. And I think back. And I'm like, I would if I had a child today, I would never probably let him do this this way, but. One of us would get on the bike and then we had a rope tied to the back of the bike and we'd pulled the other person on the skateboard. Because this is all brand new black top, so it's smoother and smooth. And that was a blast, you know. And then it's kind of like water well, and that was the thing every once in a while, you know, yes, this was all new black top. But every once in a while there'd be like a big rock on it and.
Chris:
So you fell.
Kelly:
The board goes over that rock and usually throws you a bit. I'm sure I got a couple scrapes, but. I don't remember getting seriously hurt, so that was good.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean, you know I you know we we talked a little bit before we came on air and yeah, some summers definitely changed for me in in, in terms of my excitement level for it. And but I I do I can remember man and I I I can still picture the feeling you know and and yeah it was just. You know, year after year was just an exciting time, you know and. You know, even as you, it's especially like when you're little little I don't think you really pick up on it. You know, kindergarten first grade, 2nd grade. I I don't I I don't know man. I don't think I don't recall that I really you know picked up on it but once you start having some level of freedom you know you have the ability to ride a bike you have the ability to play games you have the ability to be included you know you can think for yourself and strategize. And you know, you starting to come into your body a little bit and have a little more coordination and and you could swing a bat and actually hit a ball and. And things like that, right? So then, you know, like you said, that kind of sweet spot, man, maybe from like you know 9 till you know really through all all the way through high school because even in high school this summer now you might be driving right. So now it's really exciting and you know now you know, I always worked through the summers, you know, starting in high school I think. I started really working about 15 years old, you know, and then now I'm just trying to make money, you know? And. And so a lot of but even. Then you know it's not. It's not a everyday full time job all the time. You know what I mean? You're you're picking up hours where you can here and there and you got a lot of down time to go to the lake or, you know, go find something fun to do.
Kelly:
With your friends. Yeah. And then you know, the other thing is we'd also get into big old game marathons. So you know it's raining for a day. Whatever. You know, you play a mega monopoly game or all kinds of other games like that. I don't know, just it's a beautiful day here where I am now. And you know, I'm working and then taking a break and recording this podcast. But I'm thinking. Man, you know, back in the day, it was nice to kind of have that carefree world.
Chris:
Well, I get little pieces of it. I mean and. And last weekend, you know, we got the backyard all cleaned up, got the pool all dialed in, got the, you know, got it all sparkly and blue. And you know, we. Filled up the propane tanks and you know, we just kind of laid her out in the pool and you know, you get hot, you jump in the water, swim around a little bit and then. You know, I was smoking some meat and stuff and. You know, just relaxing by the pool, not a care in the world. I might have poured myself a little soda, you know, and just just relaxing with a little glass of whiskey and kind of kind of, sort of half tending to A to some meat in the in the smoker and doing some swimming. And so yeah, I mean, I still get pieces of it. But you know, it's usually like a Saturday. You know, it's not. It's not three months of joy anymore. It's it's, you know, 8 hours so.
Kelly:
Yeah. So you mentioned this. I'm just curious, Chris, what are your, what were some of your first jobs that you remember?
Chris:
I actually worked with your brother. Matt is the first well, so I I always was about having some spending money. You know, I like the freedom to buy what I want, you know, and and not what you know, my mother and father told me I could have. Right. And so I I was never afraid to work for it. So I always like mowed lawns or wash cars. You know, I'd, I'd steal the dish soap and a sponge and. A shammy from the house and and roll around on my bike and I just hang the handle of the bucket. And you know, I had the the dish soap and and like a little scrub brush for the wheels and, you know, a couple different items that I could, like, steal from my dad's garage and and then I'd roll around and see if I could find someone outside and just ask if I could wash the car and. And. But. And those were when I was like, more like, I'd say, eleven 11-12 years old. Right. And then I had a couple of lawns that I mowed on or like I I don't remember. I think it was every other week. Right. So twice a month, I'd mow this lawn. And I think I got, like, 5 bucks a lawn or something and. The. You know the spending money was always something I wanted. And then at 13 was the first summer job I had. I worked, actually for your brother, Matt, for Ford tile. And yeah, that was my first introduction to like, oh, my gosh, this isn't like washing someones car or mowing someone's lawn like, you know, now I'm mixing mortar and a tub and carrying buckets of cement. And boxes of tile and like that was work man and.
Kelly:
Kyle helper, huh?
Chris:
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so so I I wasn't. I wasn't with him, like 40 hours a week. It was more like a, you know, a couple of days here, a couple of days there type of thing. But yeah, that was a little bit more money than a lot more work. But you know, you can only move so many lawns, right? Can only watch so many cars. Most people tell you no. Right. So you know, whereas this was like, hey, I'm, I'm going to get 10 hours today, you know, and. So then I don't recall what I did at age 14, but I know starting around or maybe that was 14. So after 8th grade I I 8th grade I I could I was living up in Washington state and it's a heavy agriculture and in the summer they got to stock. All the hay for the winter, for all the cows. You know, for all the cattle and and so you know in the summer is when that hay becomes ready, you know it's it's been cut, it's dried. It's been bailed up and then. And basically the you know most a lot of places, there's there's different machinery and stuff, different places do it differently, but a lot of places will just bail it up into these bails and then they're just laying out in a field. And then you got to hire like, day laborers to go out and pick it up and throw it on the wagon, you know, and usually the farmer would have, like, you know, their 12 year old kid driving the tractor. Right. That's an easy job that you can't mess up. You just put it in gear and basically let it idle. And all you gotta do is like, turn it around at the end of the run, right? Right. And so, you know, the the tractor would just run at a pretty reasonable pace. Like, I don't know, maybe three or four miles an hour or something, something you could keep up with and then, you know, you come across the ball and you throw it on the wagon and then you throw the next one and the next one and the next one, and then you just pile that wagon, you know, as the trailer is as high as you could. And and towards in the beginning it was super easy because all you know all you gotta do is just throw it up on on the trailer, which is like maybe 4 feet off the ground, let's say, right. Well, as you start piling, hey. Up. Well, now that now The thing is, 8 feet tall, 10 feet tall. You know what I mean? Cause we've been stacking bales up for the last hour. So this things now we all of a sudden we gotta lift these things and throw them and and not to mention, I've been walking for the last hour and picking stuff up. So I'm at my most tired when it's most difficult and that hey is itchy and then you got to go back to the barn. And some places were cool, man, they had conveyor belts. So, you know, like two of us would stay on the wagon. And two of us would go up to stack in the bar. Burn and dude, you just put the ball on the conveyor belt and then it just like trucks it right up to you and then you pick it up and you and you go walk it to where you gotta stack it next. Right. And and there's a method to it, you know, 2GO this way, one goes that way, blah blah. So it doesn't tip over and. But dude, you're up in this morning. It's hot, it's sticky, and it's haze all over you. And and everything's itchy, you know, and. But that was the gig that nothing paid like that man for for like a 14 or 15 year old kid. There's nowhere I could go. I don't remember what minimum wage was, but I wasn't even old enough to legally work anyway. So, like, I couldn't get a job. But bucking, hey, was something that, you know, you could work for cash. There's no taxes, you just, you know, you just show up on a Saturday or whatever and then. You know, you work as many hours and then it was like an honor system where? Where you you never you. It was like impolite to ask what you're making. It was like a like a tab like question to even ask. Right. You just show up. You work and they pay you at the end of the day. And and some of these guys were, you know, terrible man, you know. And. Other guys would pay you pretty good and usually like you know, the wife would come out with some sandwiches at one point and some lemonade or something. You know, they took good care of you, man. At the end of it, like a like a good wage, if I remember, it used to be, like around 10 bucks if you got 10 bucks an hour. That was like, ohh yeah, man. Hey, if you got any more fields, call me please, you know, and. Kind of kind of proud. So I worked for one summer doing that and then the next summer rolled around and basically I I I got all kinds of phone calls then and you know, I got a lot of like, hey, I heard you're a good worker man. I got a field and at that point I could kind of like cherry pick cause like I couldn't be in. I couldn't be in two fields. I'm on Saturday, right? Had to pick one, and so you know, you kind of ask around town like, hey, I'm gonna go work, you know, I got the Johnsons called me like, oh, dude, you don't wanna work for the Johnsons, man. They give you, like, 5 bucks an hour, man. No conveyor belt, dude, they it's terrible, man. The tractor is always breaking down and you're standing out in the field waiting for him to fix it. It sucks, OK. You know, or The Smiths, The Smiths Farms got to field. Oh, yeah. He's a good guy.
Kelly:
Yeah.
Chris:
And go work for him, you know? And so. So you know, by the following year I I was able to, you know, you kind of get a feel for things, you know, the guys, you're not going to work for again. You know what I mean? You worked. You worked my tail off and you gave me 5 bucks an hour. Dude, like. Yeah, I'm not coming back to your field man next year. And and you got the guys that you liked a lot. You know that treated you really good and paid you well. And yeah, I made enough money in doing that. You know, I work a Saturday and a Sunday. You know, usually make somewhere around a couple 100 bucks or so, and then dude, at 15 years old in like 1989 or whatever, man, 200 bucks is something that lasts me forever. So I could eat whatever I want, do whatever I want. And so yeah, I just work like the weekends and Buckley and then, you know, some of my counterparts. You could work at the cannery where like you pick berries and that was the other summer job, but that paid like $3.75 an hour. And it's like still got to work 10 hours at the cannery. Not sure it's easier work, but man, I'd rather just hump pay for for seven hours and make twice as much money. So I always went that route, man. Like, I want to get as much money as I can in as short a time as it can, and I don't care how hard you work me like you put me through whatever you want, but I want money when I'm done, you know. And. Yeah, so those are like, my early summer. Jobs.
Kelly:
Yeah, I when I was really young, my oh got pocket money by collecting newspapers for recycling. Joel and I took our wagons around. We go up to houses and. Hey, you got any old newspapers? I can't remember what you got, but back at that time, you would actually get some money. I know we'd load up my dad's truck. Back of it with papers from now till forever and take him down to the junkyard and get a little bit of cash. And then. We don't talk about the blindness stuff too much, but I'll tell this short story. I I think as I've mentioned on the podcast more than once went to quote, you know, regular school, if you will, for lack of a better term. I I was they were just starting to do this in Wisconsin, where they now, it's called mainstreaming, I guess is the official term. But when I was a really young kid, I was given a choice between me and my. To. Go to a school in Oshkosh, WI. It couldn't be in my hometown and find like or go to a school for the blind, which they do a good job and nothing wrong with that. But I ended up going to Oshkosh and, but then when I was 16, they said I had to go to the school for the blind for a summer program for one summer, like six or eight weeks. I don't know to make sure I knew how to. Be blind in a way, as what I used to think of it as I don't know. They put me through different tests on my skills and other things, but they also had some work opportunities. Let me tell you, I'm glad. I mean I'm glad things have changed because I have. I'll never forget these two things. The two jobs that I made money at for that summer. One I got paid $7.50 for every thousand of these that I did, I had a box full of test tubes on my left. I had some rubber stoppers and a big old jar, a plastic jar. I had. Some water and some labels and my job was to pull a test tube out of this box, wrap a label around. Put a rubber stopper in it and then stack it in this other wooden box on my right that held 1000 of these and for every thousand of those I put into the box I got $7.50 the state of Wisconsin, I was told used them for some kind of environmental testing. Something I'm doing this for memory, but that's my recollection, and then I eventually graduated up to what they called laundry tags. This was number longer peace labor, but this was hourly wage, man.
Chris:
Ohh.
Kelly:
And what I did then? Was I had a big old like tag kind of, you know, like a just big old piece of paper with a hole in it. And I had a string, a big box of strings. And my job was to take the string, stick it through the hole, kind of fold it in half, stick it through the hole in the tag, and then tie a knot. So that it would be stuck in there. I honestly don't remember every little detail, but the state used those for as laundry tags in the prison when they were doing laundry. I was told and I think minimum wage might have been 335 an hour hour but. I mean, I can go back and look and I look on the Social Security Administration and you will see, you know, the first earnings for Kelly Ford were like in 1983.
Chris:
Where you were slave labor, dude like. I mean, it sounds like a step up from from waterboarding then like that is, you know, to to to know what you know you do. I mean, I called you yesterday, you know and and you solved the problem for me on the computer over the phone not not not not not you know having my computer in front of you or the other.
Kelly:
A lot of money, but.
Chris:
Computer in front of you or anything else and you know your your brother Scott was always like this with automotives. You could just call him and you don't even need to see the car. He could just picture in his brain and and come to a a solution, you know, just by, you know, just your knowledge that he carries in his brain. And the idea that you.
Kelly:
Putting the labels on test tubes dude is, yeah, definitely a waste of your talent, Sir. I mean, in all seriousness, employment for people with disabilities is a serious topic. I mean the the. You know. Unemployment rate is at least twice the non disabled employment rate but and I studied this a little bit because if you really get into this, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. Actually has some other ways like, so the number that you always hear about in the news is the unemployment rate. And you're right, a you know when it's 5 and 6% that's considered bad. But there's another number that they actually publish that is to me more interesting and it is. What they call labor force participation rate. And that is more like are you even involved in the labor force or not? Is the short version right? So whether you're if you're unemployed, employed, whatever you're participating in the labor force, but they also measure like people that aren't doing any of that. It's not that they're. Unemployed or employed? They're not even trying to find a job. And the last time I looked at those numbers, like for people with disabilities, if the labor force participation rate had jumped up to. 38% that would have been high. And the labor force participation rate that they study, like let's say, for people 18 to 64 that aren't classified as disabled, it's like hovering probably around 70%. And so you know, we have a lot of fun on the podcast and and this is.
Chris:
Hello.
Kelly:
Actually something I do. It's part of why I do what I do. I've worked in the high tech world trying to make technology itself that people use in the workplace, you know, work better so that they can. We all can get and maintain jobs and things like that. So yeah, I'm. I mean, I think I'm. I'm fortunate I had a good education. I was born with, you know, a good set of skills, family that, you know, challenge me to be all I can be not to quote the Army line, I guess, but. It's something that I think about because some a lot of times people don't have those expectations set for them and you know, I'm a big believer in that. Expectations are important no matter who and what you are, because that's how you strive for things. And you know, if you don't have those. You won't aim is how will you know what to aim for and people that know me in other contexts, like in accessibility and things, they'll hear me talk about this a lot. Where? This is why I'm passionate about quality and things like that. Because like. Your my expectations are. Set high, but they're really not higher than anybody else, but they're set that I used to have a debate with people and I've used this on my blog and we can go back to our fun after this, but this this is another part of me that I think about. I've often said that you know when it comes to accessibility and disability, the debate isn't whether the glass is half empty or half full, because right, I could take either side of that argument. And to be clear, you know the fact. That I can access all the information I can. Everything else that I'm taking part in. I mean, that's all wonderful and great, but it's not about debating whether the glass is half empty or half full. It is more like if other people are getting a full glass of milk, you know? Yeah. I'm from Wisconsin. So we'll use milk.
Chris:
Well, you might as well use beer at this point. Well, OK, some people can actually relate to.
Kelly:
There. There you go. If I'm getting, if you're getting a full glass, I deserve a full glass. And if you don't give me the same full glass, then why? It doesn't matter whether I see it as half full or half empty. So that's kind of the equality thing that I'm passionate about.
Chris:
Yeah. And rightfully so, man. I mean, I'm on your team on that and now, you know, obviously, uh. You know, I I can't understand what it's like to be blind. You know what I mean? I I've always been able to see. And so I I I can try to guess. You know what I mean? But there's just no way to accurately do that. Right? So, but yeah. For what it's worth, man, I I feel the same way you do. And it's not just about disabilities. It's it's across the board, man. I I just feel like all people are equal. I don't give a **** how much money you make or you know where you came from or, you know, it's just. You know, at least everyone should have an every an equal opportunity. Now, if you're not willing to try and you're not willing to work, you know if you're a quitter, then that then that's on you, man. Now, I don't have pity for you any longer, but if you are, you know, putting maximum effort in then you should get. You know what you deserve for that man. And if there's obstacles put in your way now, sometimes they're going to be put there and they're not even your fault, man. I mean, you know, obstacles come up in everybody's life that are like, man, that's I. I didn't plan on this, you know, and. You got to overcome those and stuff, but you know. If, if you're willing to put the work in, you should have the opportunity. That's that's, I guess the simplest way to.
Kelly:
Yeah, you know, and I'm you know, I'm just like, hey, man, don't. Don't stack the deck, man. You know if, like, if circumstances are such that, you know, we all have different things. And that's one thing. But like, if you know across a lot of dimensions, if you're going to. Uh. Intentionally either actively work to stack the deck or not eliminate barriers that you know how to eliminate and should to me that's that's another version of inaction, if you will or delayed action. You know, it's one of the areas where I work in is in accessibility and things like that, that's that's another challenge.
Chris:
Well, I would imagine from, you know like a a like a say a business standpoint, you know and and you want you want to make things accessible to all. And I would imagine it boils down to like a profitability in most cases it's like, yeah, you know this 3% can't use their product, but man the the amount it would cost us to let them use it isn't worth it, you know. Us in terms of bottom line dollars and cents. And yeah, I would just take the argument 222 freaking bad. Well, you know, the rest of us should just not use that product too then, you know what I mean?
Kelly:
So and so that's.
Chris:
And you know.
Kelly:
And that's where it really gets interesting. When you think about it, Chris, because yes, that is sometimes the very. But if you think about that in other ways, right, if we look across and you know, people debate this across a wide range of dimensions in general. But if you look at other things that businesses are forced to do, right, not all of those are. Are as profitable as they want, but as a society we've decided that it is worthwhile to compel that you can think about things like right pollution control and manufacturing. Right. If we go back 4050 years, I mean, pollution was so bad, right? We had rivers that were literally starting on fire. If if anybody else remembers that and and the level of pollution and, you know, as a group of citizens, we've put more environmental protections in place. Or. Automobiles, right? I mean, it used to be that, you know, they were more dangerous until the.
Chris:
Seat belts, crumple zones, you know, shatterproof glass, you know, on and on and on. Yeah, you don't put the gas tank at the.
Kelly:
All the other things that you know have. To come in.
Chris:
Back of the car, hashtag.
Kelly:
Ford Pinto. So I mean we do that or I, you know I was mentioning to somebody, I was having this conversation with someone the other day and I'm like, you know, hey, if you wanted to have a totally free market, then you would say the free market is we shouldn't need to mandate food inspection, right?
Speaker
Yeah.
Kelly:
But but then what could happen is, you know, food companies could say, well, yeah, from few people get sick or die from our food, we we can just afford to pay them, pay those bills and we won't spend all this money on food inspection and all the other things. But again, as a society. We've said. That's not acceptable, and we're seeing some of those same kind of laws happen and we have a, you know, maybe another time we'll do a deeper podcast on some of this, but there are more laws just you would have never heard of this, Chris. But for example, next summer, a law. In the EU, European Union called the as you can imagine, European Union accessibility that comes into play, and it has some of the strictest conformance provisions that they are asking of businesses and. Potentially some of the greater penalties for non compliance than laws have had here in the US so. It's all an interesting thing, and so I, you know, I don't. And this is where it always goes for me, man, right. I mean, go back to summer when you're a kid. It's all carefree. And you don't think about any of these sorts of things. And then when you're an adult, you know you have a day job and all these responsibilities and there's both good and bad, right? The good is, hey, obviously, you know a lot more, like the very things I was just talking about are you and all the work you do in roofing. And so but that knowledge also generally comes with more responsibilities. And I guess that's what they call part of life. Growing up.
Chris:
Yeah, for sure. I mean, if I had, if I had my way, I'd go back to being a kid. I'd just stay at, like, 14 years old forever. So, you know, between it all, I mean, it was just a a generally easier for your time. But yeah, and summer, you know, summer, definitely for me too. Brings back, you know, some of those memories and I'm a little jealous. My son's 14, you know, and he's just living his best life and out there. And I. And I want that for him. And I'm happy for him. And I really am. But I'm, you know, I'm a little bit envious, to be honest. Like man, I want to go down water slides on a Tuesday. That sounds great.
Kelly:
Yeah, I hear you. But I guess Chris, instead of going down water slides, looks like you've already been chomping at the bit and thinking about the NFL. We've been in the hiatus and the OPS season we had draft and all that, but man, before we started recording, you told me you've already done 104 drafts. Yeah. Yeah, I'm.
Chris:
Doing my part. Yeah, I just, I couldn't help myself, man. I, I you know, I was all Jones in for the draft and then the NFL draft took place. And then I don't know, I just never could get it out of my mind. And then, you know, so, you know, I started doing basketball drafts. And I was like, well, let me just do one and then, you know, you know, as soon as you get the juices flowing. And it's like, well, let me do another one and another one and another one and. And so I do primarily all slow drafts where they're just. Know you get like 8 to 10 hours. Per pick so you know they take multiple days to do and and you just you know when your turn comes up, you got like 10 hours to make your selection and then it's the next guy's turn. He's got 10 hours to pick and so on it just keeps going like that and you know, so I might have like 15 of those things running out of time. And in the first one, they're all random selection. So the first one maybe I got the 1st pick and then and another one. I got the 7th pick and the 9th pick and. So yeah, I've I've definitely. You know the problem right now is you don't have enough knowledge like there. There's the camp, battles are stolen going on. You don't know who the starting quarterback is in some locations like you know what? What are the, you know, what are the one and two wide receivers on a team? You know who's going to play in the slot, who's going to be outside, you know, all these things, you know. You just don't have answers to, so you're you're you're you're working with, not a, you know, full with, not without all the information. Right? So, but but these ones I keep. Really. And they're really inexpensive buy INS. I know they're all trials and errors. And like, you know, I mean, I'm just kind of feeling things out. I'm seeing where guys are going, you know, and and kind of working out my draft strategy and then later in the year usually like tail end of August, right before the season starts, you know, all the information is available. You know, if a couple of guys went down and camp, which seems to happen every year. OK, well, I'll take those guys. Off my list, I won't be taking the guy with the torn ACL this year and. You know, and then those that period of time is is really Kelly, it's all preparation for Tennessee buddy that's. I mean I'm just getting ready. I'm doing, I'm doing everything I can to be as prepared as possible to to whoop on my uncles. So my my entire offseason is dedicated to beating you guys.
Kelly:
Yeah, I know our. Just for podcast listeners, our family draft is. About two months away, a little bit less than two months away in Tennessee. Again, I don't know if it's going to come through on the podcast, but I'm smiling here because in the background, I'm just talking about kids in summer, I can hear a bunch of kids in from my neighbors. House actually laughing because it's a nice sunny day outside and they've got a a little not super little above ground pool. And I can. Just. Hear the kids playing in it and laughing. Maybe the microphones picking it up from time to time, but I just think back to those days.
Chris:
Oh yeah, sometimes you put a makeshift slip and slide together, you know, and maybe maybe no one can afford the actual slip and slide. So you just duct tape some some trash bags together, you know? Got them open and turn 160° hose on and you know earn some water. And yeah, that's cool, man. Kids having a good time. That's the way it should be. Man, you should enjoy yourself and the kids should be having fun. You know, so I like I said, I'm so happy for my son and he's just having, you know, having a good time, you know, living his best life. And that's what childhood should be about, man. And, you know, I'm happy for them. They they should be out there enjoying themselves and splashing around and and and having some fun with each other.
Kelly:
So you said in the NFL, you know, we don't necessarily know who the starting quarterback is going to be. But in some cases with trades and other things we have examples of, we know who it's not going to be. Russell Wilson definitely won't be starting in Denver.
Chris:
For sure.
Speaker
1st. Ah.
Chris:
Actually, they got a pretty, pretty even 3 way battle. I tend to think that Bon Nix is gonna win that job just for the sheer sake that you know, I I I have a feeling it was Peyton's guy. And you know, he probably wants to get started on on winning as soon as possible. And even if it's not this year, which I if they're being honest with themselves, I don't think Denver, you know, they may say different things. Politically, but I I think Denver probably knows there's still a year or so away, but. Yeah, I think it'll be bonnick there. And then I don't know that Russell Wilson's gonna be starting in the NFL at all by the time the season wears down. I do think he could probably win that job just on sheer like smiles and like, hey, I'm Russell Wilson. I've been doing this a while, but, you know, I I tend to think that by the time the season finally winds down. You know, they've seen enough to realize that, you know, Russell Wilson isn't the long term answer. And you know, let's give Justin Fields a look and see what he can do in Pittsburgh because he's young enough. He if he, if we can make him into a quarterback, then he is a long term solution potentially you know, whereas Russell Wilson's kind of the that you know bridge they got so lucky man. I mean they got they got Russell Wilson for the league minimum and then. And they got Justin Fields on a rookie deal. You know, the last year of his rookie deal on, it's like you got two, you know, pretty a lot of people would love to have those guys as their quarterbacks. And you got them for nothing. Basically bag of chips.
Kelly:
I really wonder you know what the Bears are gonna do. I mean. And this is not their.
Chris:
Ohh the bear. I think the bear you tell me how good they're gonna be or will they be? I mean, they haven't had great track records with quarterbacks, dude, no, for sure. But there's other franchises that kind of went through a similar thing. They look at, I mean they you know what guy did they have that was like highly touted though too. You know what I mean? Like Caleb Williams is. You know, I I'm not going to even say generational because that's that that word gets thrown around for like a dude every single year. So I don't think we have a generation that, you know, a generation isn't one year, right. And they just seem to have a guy like that. Every single year. So but he. Is, you know, a dude who for multiple seasons in college looked like, OK, this guy's going to be an excellent. And I don't remember the the, you know, you'd have to go back to when you to to even like your childhood or before when they had a guy who was this good of a process. That. So I will admit that they haven't had any quarter any quality quarterback play in my lifetime that I can remember, not for an extended period of time, not from one guy, right? So but they also mean in, in fairness, they've they've never, you know, put a lot of stock into that either and and they haven't. They haven't had the opportunity to take. You know the 1st overall pick and the guy who has won a Heisman Trophy. You know what I mean? He has looked the part and he's not a flash in the pan in college, you know, he didn't have one good year. I mean he, you know, he's he's shown this year after year after year. So if anyone has a chance, I think it's likely him.
Kelly:
I just don't know. I'm the for me. The jury is going to be out a little bit. And we'll see. I mean, I think it's such a tough spot. What blows me away is the amount of money that the Trevor Lawrence just got.
Chris:
Well, and and that's a big debate right now. And that's the topic of conversation, you know. So when you look at it from just dollars and and value sense, it doesn't make any sense like that it it's just. But when you look at you know supply and demand and just what the market is that that's that's what they cost man. I mean that's this is what quarterbacks cost. And you know the the bottom line is you are going to be hard pressed to go win a championship if you don't have one. If you don't have a good one, it is not impossible, but very close to impossible to win a Super Bowl if you don't have at least above average quarterback play. And if that's where you're at, then you better have elite. Team around. Found him. And you know so few teams are, you know, are going to have that right. You got to have like an all time dominant defense and then you could get by, you could do what Tampa Bay did or or what the Baltimore Ravens did. You know, you can have an all time great defense and then have average quarterback play. But if you look at the Super Bowls that they won. The both times, well, especially in the Baltimore case with Joe Flacco, they and who is not just Flacco, but who's the other one that Baltimore won another Super Bowl with? What was the quarterback man? Help me out.
Kelly:
Kelly, I'm Ty. Ohh. What was that dudes name?
Chris:
DD something D Dilfer Trent Dilfer?
Kelly:
Trent Dilfer.
Chris:
Right. And but you're talking about like, you know, maybe top five all time defense, right and and.
Kelly:
Yeah. No, I mean it's. I look at it this way, right? I mean the the numbers are wild, but they are they are what they are and. Like if that's the going rate, it's what you gotta pay and you gotta. You've got to get the best you can get in that for that price range of what's available to you at any given time.
Chris:
Well, and that's just it. And that's where two Otunga valoa is. And Dak Prescott is. And to be honest, the Packers are are with Jordan love and you know, hey dude, if you if you want a quarterback like this, it costs you $55 million to get one man that's that's the that's the price and you can't win without one and it's like yeah, but he's not worth 55,000,000. Yeah I know but what are you going to do if you don't have them.
Kelly:
I mean.
Chris:
You know, you you're gonna you're gonna be the Carolina Panthers, or you're gonna be the, you know, New York Giants or, you know, just insert team here that doesn't have a quarterback. The the Vegas Raiders, you know, on and on you go. You go through the league and look at the guys who have quarterback problems and then tell me how good those teams. And so I don't think they're worth it either. But, you know, when you look at the fact that you got to have one and this is what they cost. Well, I guess, I mean, I guess he's worth it. Then.
Kelly:
You know in that in that lens expect you know everything I've read said they're going to try and get a deal done.
Chris:
For love.
Kelly:
Before the season starts for Jordan love. But I. I expect that deal's probably going to come in somewhere about, you know. Five to six years average out over the whole contract 5860 million a. Year Yep.
Chris:
Yeah. I I I think that's the going rate. So that's just is what it is and.
Kelly:
And you know, you bet. We better hope that last year this is the challenge with these kind of deals now.
Chris:
He had like 9 good games dude, so he had another handful that were like above average or average to above average, you know? And but he finished so strong and he looks so good down the stretch. And then in the playoffs and it's like, you know, he he made himself $300 million, by the way he played in in. Say seven games.
Kelly:
You know, but you just really got to hope that what you saw is. And I'm not saying it is, but you've really got to hope as talent evaluators and everything else that what you see in these cases isn't. It is the the long term prospect, because if you're wrong recovering from these deals is incredibly hard. You know, we've seen it with Team after team, where when if something really goes S they they've got so much, you know, as they call it dead cap salary money sitting there and even the Green Bay Packers suffered from this for the past couple of years because they had they were, they were paying Aaron Rodgers so much money. Last year, you know, to play for The Jets in the end and he didn't play for them, but to to to.
Chris:
Play for no one.
Kelly:
Yeah, you know what I mean. And that's how these teams do it. You know, some some more than others where they play salary cap games and can push money off and all that, but it's interesting. Anything else? Jump out your on your first look around the NFL before the season starts that you're looking for, or big changes that surprised you.
Chris:
No, I'm curious how some of these moves make you Kirk Cousins in Atlanta. You know, it's it's, you know, there's a lot of young young guys. I mean that, you know, we'll see, you know, time will tell, you know, but at least in in terms of, like, PFF grades and prospect ratings and all the, you know, the metrics that they use. To evaluate talent, you know Jayden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake may, JJ McCarthy, you know, Bo Nix. All of these guys, you know, have a chance to be really good. And if that's the case.
Kelly:
My companion.
Chris:
What's that? Michael penix. Michael Penix too. So. You know, not, you know, not all of them are. But what if a high percentage of them are? You know what a four or six are? And then there's still the chance that the, you know, Jordan Travis or or some of the guys, you know, who are the the this year's like Brock Purdy, you know? I mean, they weren't the highly touted guys. So, you know, it's hard to say now if we. Get competent. You know, players at a high percentage say you know four or five of them. Well, that entirely shifts the league now, now, now these teams, and then those teams who got those guys are in a really good position, you know, especially like you look at the Bears, they had a a really good defense at the tail end of last year they added. DeAndre Swift, they added Keenan Allen, you know both. You know good pros and and both in both. Excellent at helping maybe underdeveloped quarterback because they are so good at their jobs in terms of catching the ball. Not now. Swift is a running back, but he's a really, really good pass catching back. So and then Keenan Allen is one of the best route runners in all of football. So he's going to be exactly where he's supposed to be every time, and he's going to. Put himself in a position where all you do is get the ball close like I'm giving you. I'm giving you more margin for error because I'm so good at my job and that you know the chances you make a mistake are less right. And, you know, in addition to DJ Moore and and, you know, Cole Comet, they added Gerald Everett, who's a very good passer. Pitching tight ends so you know the Bears are an interest. One interesting one for me because, you know, kind of what I was alluding to, like, yeah, I know they haven't had a lot of success and and that offense has always been a struggle. And Chicago's been a wasteland for quarterbacks. They've never, they've never gotten it right. And kind of like the New York Jets man, they just never get it right. They're just you can't play quarterback for The Jets. Because you're, you know, if you're. If you're not terrible, if you don't suck, then you'll you'll tear an Achilles or who knows something bad's gonna happen if you try to play quarterback to The Jets. And the Bears have always been that way too, but also will concede that they have never been in as good a position before either. So we'll see. And then, you know, across the board, man, we'll just, you know, there could be, you know, we had a lot of injuries at the quarterback position last year and and the quarterback play as a whole throughout the league was not great. So now if you had a Patrick Mahomes, you know, like acid Bengals, what life was like without Joe Burrell? Pretty rough, right? If you don't have an elite guy, it is really tough to compete on the back end. Once we get into January and playoffs, right? So. And last year there was just plain shortage just because of the injuries, man and and a lot of guys went down. Anthony Richardson went down, Cousins went down, Graham Rogers went down, you know, and Joe Burrow and on and on and on. Right. And then I think there's a chance though that within a year or two, we see, oh, we're we're back. You know, all these guys are healthy again. Cousins is healthy again and Roger felt again. Not only that, Kayla Williams is playing good Drake Mace playing good like, you know, better than expected. You know, Bo Nix is playing better than expected, you know, and on and on. So I think there's a chance we get back to a a really good place at that position. And if we have good quarterback. Play then we have good, good product, you know, and and NFL should be really exciting to watch.
Kelly:
Yeah, I think. You know of moves in the off season? I actually Keeling Allen to the Bears is really an interesting one because as you said, that guy's just money. He strikes me as just a null nonsense. Go about my business and my business is, you know, catching the ball but also making others around me. Better, and I think that. I've always liked him as a player and I think. Again, I know I said the jury's out, but I think that he may be in a position to. Help them if they're gonna have success doing things like picking him up will be a big part of it because you are right. They're just taking. You're bringing assurance to that position like you just don't gotta worry about what that guy's going to do.
Chris:
Right now, I mean, he's a little older, so he might have to worry about health a little bit, but you know, and then you can't quantify what that guy brings into the wide receiver room. You know him and DJ Moore are are professional wide receivers. They're good at what they do for a living and you know, wide receiver rooms aren't made of two people, right? There's there's usually six or six or seven of them in there. And there there's no doubt that those guys are going to have a positive effect on the other guys around them and you know, so.
Kelly:
Yeah, because both of those guys, I mean they. They look, they practice the art of wide receiving some guys. Hey, they just get by on raw talent and you know everything else not saying everybody does in practice. But you see it with some other players that this they they take things to the next level. Where? They're elite at not only their skill set, but in the ways they practice Hemming and hawing a little bit because his name, the Rams wide receiver, is another guy like this. Yeah, sorry, where if you read about what that guy does in the off season.
Chris:
Cooper cup.
Kelly:
And. Like. He practices his craft probably 365 a year. Yep, you know, just doing different things to get his footwork right and a million things that I guarantee not every wide receiver goes to these levels.
Chris:
No, and you know the proof. The proof shows itself on the field, you know and. Yeah. And there, I mean, there's a lot of movement and the beauty of the NFL, you know, with the salary cap and their efforts towards parity is you know it's effective man and you know, heading into the season, you know, I I'm sure there's a handful of fan bases that have pretty low. You know, if you're a New England Patriots fan right now, you know, you're probably not realistically thinking like this is our year, you know. But. You know of the 32 teams, you know, probably 25 of them are like hey, maybe you know and probably you know, 10 or 12 of them are feeling like, yeah, I think I think we can do it, you know? And so, you know, you go across the rest of the leagues, you know, baseball, basketball, you know, that's not the case, man. You know what I mean? You got, you know. Six teams? Maybe. Maybe. The 10, you know, six, that feel like hey, we, you know, we got the team to do it this year and another, you know, four or five that are like maybe if things break right if this if this player works out and that player works out you know we could be right in the mix you know and everyone else knows they're going. They're the game making the playoffs and the NFL's just not like that man.
Kelly:
Well, baseball, it's blows me away. I mean, OK, I've been fortunate. The Milwaukee Brewers have been good for a few years now. They they've been in the playoffs. I think it's like 5 of the last six years. They don't do much in the playoffs. So I've been fortunate there, but my gosh, I was. You know, I I follow baseball relatively closely and like. Wow, the Chicago White Sox, for example. How? Yeah, they're the seasons halfway over, and I don't have. They didn't look at the standings today about about. If I did, they're about 29 games out of first place.
Chris:
Or something like that. Yeah, and and. And the NFL, I mean, you're going to have good teams and and bad teams and and, but there's just so much. You know equality man, and it's exciting. It's it's why I think it's the best sports league, you know, in the country. Because, I mean, I like football, period as a sport anyway. But but I it's just like everyone has a chance, man. It's not till. So you know the end of November people finally are like OK, maybe not you know but but till then you know everyone says, hey, we just you know, we just gotta win in Tennessee next week and then we'll win our home game against Minnesota. And we're right back in it, you know? And, you know, just it just makes it more fun, man. And. And it makes it exciting. I'm. I'm jazzed. I mean, you know, I've been excited for football. I really didn't have. I had. But like about like a two or three-week off season in terms of my fandom, you know, and then all of a sudden I'm back on the Internet and. I'm looking up stuff. I'm trying to see who's gonna get drafted and where. And you know, from a fantasy perspective, you know, that stuff matters. Like year round, right. So I'm in a dynasty league where you keep all your team and. And you know, there's, you know, there's a rookie draft where we draft the rookies, but other than that, man, you're you're looking at your team and you're trying to change. Played future picks for players or vice versa. You know what I mean? And and. So, you know, even in May, I still care about football because I'm, you know, constantly trying to, you know, make my team as good as it can be and trying to research, you know, what, you know, what are some hidden gems out there? You know, what are some guys that are undervalued that I maybe could get on the cheap right now?
Kelly:
Well, then you missed your calling, Chris, cause the Packers just named a new president. They mark Murphy, their current one. They have the bylaws of the Packers organization. Say you've got to retire at age 70, so he's finishing up his last year and they just named a new president starting next year. So you should have put your name. In.
Chris:
The hat? Yeah. I mean, I honestly don't. I mean, you know, I've never been in that world. So it's hard to say, but I mean, I don't know, man. I think I do all right in that stuff, I think. I mean, I definitely would have the passion for it like.
Kelly:
I wouldn't be bored going into work, that's for sure. I I think it. I'm sure you probably could do OK. I mean right you'd be green. But you know it's. Ah. It's about anything like once you get into it and you learn there's any job, there's a few things, right? There's hey, do I have the knowledge or can I acquire the knowledge and skills to do it right? That's that's part of it. But that's generally learnable depending it might take some time, depending on what the job is. Do I have the interest like I might? I might be able to learn it and really be greater, but it doesn't interest me. Do I have the opportunity? And then you know what else is going on in my life? And can I take advantage of that opportunity, you know, or you know, so I'm sure you, you know, if, you know, I think about that for my own thing, like, not that I would have been in the NFL, but. You know. Again, going back to summer, when the whole world is your opportunity and then as you make choices in life, you know you gain more experience in one area and that means probably certain other opportunities that are less available to you. But it's so all good.
Chris:
And yeah, well, we never run out of time now, but we never did touch on it. We'll have to have another episode, you know, getting into the, you know, basketball championship and NHL just finished up and.
Kelly:
WNBA. Yeah. Because right now our opportunity to continue this conversation is waning. And Chris, as always, I'm glad we got back on the air and hope your rest of your day is great. And thanks everyone for listening.
Chris:
Right. Thanks Kelly.