Transcript
Kelly:		
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the podcast to be named later. I'm Kelly back in Wisconsin after a little trip to California. Chris out in California, Super Bowls finished. Chris, how you doing?
Chris:
I'm doing really good, Kelly. Good to be back with you, bud.
Kelly:
So I'll fess up to our audience. We sometimes give Chris a little bit of grief about not doing his homework, but it's not an excuse. But the computer actually ate my real work. We had a nice, thoughtful episode recorded about a month ago, talking all about college football, the championship, and a bunch more. And I who play recording engineer somehow lost to the recording. So we're back in the studio now, and before we touch on the NFL, I just want to jump back for a minute, back to college football, and we all know what happened with the championship. But I was just saying to Chris off the air. I think the most interesting thing to me is of the four teams that were in the. Playoffs, including the two that were in the championship game, they all have new coaches, so three of the four teams, including the cassette, the two in the championship, new coaches.
Chris:
Yeah, tis the season for movement, man. I mean, that's that's kind of throughout sports at this point. You know, the players are moving the. Coaches are moving. I mean everybody, man and it's a it's a limited time offer pretty much throughout sports these days and you know I there's no signs that that's going to going to stop either. So yeah, I mean it's going to be a fresh start for some of the premier programs and you know programs or programs, you know, I mean they they got the the facilities and and the backing of the university and the boosters. You know, they got mechanisms in place. So I think, you know, they'll continue to truck along. But yeah, anytime you transition, I mean, you know, it poses a new set of challenges and a little learning curve for all parties. So we'll see how it plays out.
Kelly:
Speaking of movement, even though the movement seems them was mostly over in college football, in your neck of the woods. UCLA got a little bit of a curve thrown at him last week. With chip.
Chris:
Now what's what? What are you speaking on?
Kelly:
With Chip Kelly giving up a head coaching role in the. College football and going to Ohio State to go back to being offensive coordinator. That just went down last week and they hired a new coach. They they announced them today.
Chris:
Oh, that's the breaking news for me, dude. So it tells you where I'm at on my college football knowledge. Not clearly. Not up. up-to-the-minute on on some of that. So yeah, I hadn't heard that. You're. You're breaking the news to me.
Kelly:
It's it's pretty amazing to me that all these schools that made this deal to go to the Big 10, half the people around them made the deal are gone or at a new school. So we'll see how that shakes out. Just briefly on the championship, any thoughts a month later, what you remember of it?
Chris:
Yeah, that was a minute ago now. Yeah. I mean, you know, the two, you know, powerhouse schools, man, very similar in construction and you know, Harbaugh finally accomplished what he set out to do. You know, when he took that job. You know he's going the way of the Pete Carroll and you know, you know, some stuff up in the air still pending. He said. Hey, let me, let me just get out of here right now before you guys settle all of this, I'm going back to the NFL and, you know, we'll see what's left in his wake behind him, but. Yeah, not the first guy to, you know, be involved in a little bit of a scandal and just say, you know what I think I'm about due for a trip back to the NFL here, so, you know.
Kelly:
A little bit, but a little bit like picking up the get out of jail free card in monopoly.
Chris:
Yeah, it is man. And and and you know it's it's not like it's not the first time so and I'm sure it won't be the last either. So I'm actually surprised you know the Chargers have never stepped up in these kinds of situations in the past. I mean really in any capacity they're about as cheap as as you get in terms of NFL franchises and. I wanna say I heard it was 18 mil a year or something like that and. You know good on the Spanos family, for, you know. Going and getting a I mean he, you know, the fact is Harbaugh can coach man. I mean him and his brother both. I mean, they're phenomenal coaches and you know, he took, he brought Michigan back to where it once was and, you know, climbed the mountain and planted the flag at least for a season and. You know, I have no doubt that he'll go in and restore some discipline to the Chargers and and no matter what happens, they will be a much more disciplined team. You know, some of the bone head mistakes that the charges have become known for over the last couple decades. I think some of that will will fall aside and then it'll just be a matter of talent. From there, so I don't know. I I thought I heard Greg Roman was going to be the offensive coordinator, so I don't know exactly what.
Kelly:
Believe I believe you're right.
Chris:
I don't know what that means for Herbert. So you know, Roman isn't exactly known for slinging it around the field, so I, you know, I don't know, man. I mean, hardball wants to run. Roman wants to run the ball, and yet the makeup of the team would suggest they're more geared for, you know, a little more spread offense. And so we'll see. We'll see what it looks like.
Kelly:
It will be interesting and you know there's 32 people that get these head coaching gigs every year in the NFL and we go across all the sports and I don't know as I get older, I I do think. Coaching matters. Obviously the players play, but you can just see a difference in coaching overtime and whatever it is that they do. You know, I've said it before, a great coach gets players to do more than they think they can. So let's jump right into it. We had two, you know, coaches and good teams that made it to the Ultimate tournament game in the NFL a couple days ago. the Super Bowl sure looked like Kansas City was falling on hard times in the first half.
Chris:
Well, I mean, but these were real evenly matched teams. You could see it from the way when the spread came out, you could see by the movement of the line, you know, and then as the game played itself, you could just tell that these are two, you know, very evenly matched teams and you know, like always man, it comes down to just a couple of plays. In you know. Sometimes it's frustrating, you know, because the quarterback is so overvalued, so overplayed. So you know, it's just such a huge portion of the priority in terms of football in the NFL. Well, football in general and you know, but then you see the Super Bowl play out and really what it boiled down to is in my opinion there. There was one team that was slightly better than the other. In the San Francisco 49ers and then one team had a better quarterback and the team with the better quarterback ended up winning the Super Bowl and.
Kelly:
I do wonder, had that kick not been blocked, how the game would that that, you know, there was still time, but that also had a huge impact.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean, there was a couple big plays. I mean that was obviously a really big one. You know, anytime points don't go on the board that you expect to get there. That's a big one. You know, the 49ers had a couple of really nice special teams play at one point. I, you know, I kind of said eight man, is there any chance that Connolly could win the MVP? I mean, the guy you know has made a couple of miraculous. Plays on special teams and had a had a big catch and.
Kelly:
Well, they had the nice play too, with the wide receiver throwing a touchdown pass.
Chris:
And then you know then on special teams, you know, they had that ball go off of one of the blockers legs. And, you know, Kansas City was able to jump on it and then they they scored on the. I think that was the pass to MVS that, you know, they scored on the very next play and. That was obviously a major game changer, you know, to to be getting the ball 1st and 10 and to all of a sudden there's seven points for the other team. So that was a big one.
Kelly:
You know, even if we go back to the beginning of the game, a lot of emotional changes, right. Kansas City's not doing a lot, really. Then they get the big pass, play a 53 yard completion, but then they fumble right down there in the red zone, which really hadn't happened much for them. That had to be a quite a emotional thing for.
Chris:
Yeah. And I don't I I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say that they came out flat. I I would say that they came out not as fired up as the 49ers. And you know, the the 49ers were were focused and they were moving the ball, but. This is just, you know, we we say this all the time, man. I mean, there's a lot of momentum in sports and you know, you got to capitalize. While you have it, you know the 49ers took the opening kickoff, marched right down the field. You know, with ease. And then McCaffrey tumbled and and, OK, there's a point. Those are points you don't get. And there were several opportunities that the 49ers had to, you know, add to their. Feed and they didn't. And then what happened later in the game, you know, Kansas City found their footing and 49ers hadn't built up enough of a a a point total on the board to, you know, hang on when when? St. Kansas City got the momentum and they had things flowing. And the difference was Kansas City went down and scored and. You know that they ended up winning the game.
Kelly:
Yeah. You know, you always are going to face a little bit of adversity and part of it is how do you respond to that few few things from the game. So I know it got talked about on the broadcast and stuff. What did you see where the Travis Kelsey bumped into or whatever? We did to Andy Reid.
Chris:
Yeah. I mean, it's pretty intense and I think they both handled it excellent afterwards. I mean, they, they you know, they just made it a non issue you know of course you know media I mean you know this is this is what those guys get paid to do. This is what we do but don't get paid for is to talk about these types of things. But in in the in reality it was like a non thing. Yeah, but he came over fired up, though, dude, and you know, you know, Andy was pretty funny. Like, yeah, just caught me off balance, you know, and. And normally I'd check him back and and things like that, and they just kind of laughed it off, you know, and easy to do. You know, when you've won the game. But I think you you. You know. Travis Kelsey's intensity has been on display on numerous occasions over the course of his career. That guy really loves football and you know, in in, in the heat of the moment, and especially in the Super Bowl where everything is supercharged. Yeah, he came flying over man and and had some words for for Andy Reid. And but you gotta image. This is a different type of relationship. You know somebody else in another scenario, who knows, maybe it meant something different. But you know what? When you know, those guys are probably like brothers, man. You know what I mean? And. And they got so much history together and so much time together. You know, you you're afforded the ability to, you know. Talk to different people in your life differently, you know, and I think their relationship is so sound that, you know, under normal circumstances, a tight end running over bumping into his coach and and hollering in his ear probably would be viewed at as a man. There's some. There's a problem here. But, you know, given their relationship and who they are to each other, I think it was it, you know. They're afforded that right to have those types of interactions. And yeah, I mean, you know, Kelsey was pretty heated, dude, and he came flying over and and barking at Andy Reid. And, you know, both of them kind of said the same thing.
Kelly:
Read do.
Chris:
Uh, he's just kind of in shock, man. He he looked up and he got caught off guard. He wasn't even looking to, you know, Kelsey came and blindsided him and Kelsey didn't mean to make contact with him, you know? I mean, he's he was just a little bigger than than he thought he was, you know? And and. You know, it was pretty funny interaction, but having, you know, having been in sports and you know and and just in life in general, I I can I can attest to on occasion. I can be the Travis Kelsey in that scenario. And I mean no harm. I mean no disrespect. There's no like malice or or anger and I'm just. I really want to win. I really want us to do a good job, you know, and I I I have strong feelings on how we could be doing things better. And so I can approach appreciate Kelsey's point of view that, you know, hey, I'm not coming from an angry place here. I'm, I know my face looks like I am, but in reality, I'm just. I really want you to understand that a winning means a lot to me. And basically, I mean, what the way he he described after the fact is is. You know, I think what the real story is I've I've read a few different things, but what I think the real story was is like, hey, don't Take Me Out of the ****** game, dude. You know, I I'm. I'm on the field at all times when? When we're down in the red zone, cause they just completed that long bomb to. I think it's Nicole Hardman and and then the I think it was very next play that the Pacheco phone. Gold and who knows, if Kelsey makes a difference or doesn't make a difference, you know. But Kelsey had you had been pulled off the field and no agree the backup tight end was was in there doing the blocking. And you know, I mean, I don't know if you had an effect or not, but you know from Kelsey's perspective, he thought that, you know, hey, I'm the best tight end on the team. Don't pull me off the field, you know and and. You know, I think that's what he told Andy.
Kelly:
Yeah, I don't remember. It was the cause. I actually listened to the I I really like the announcer on radio. He does NFL on TV too, but he's been the radio Super Bowl announcer for a few years now. Kevin Harlan. So I was listening to that. And the TV. I don't remember who said it, but they they said that, you know, yeah, he's going over and that's probably exactly what he's saying because that is what happened. He was out back up. Tight end, didn't block quite as well. You never know what the other guy is going to do, but. You've seen a lot of Super Bowls as of I I'm just curious, Chris, just from a sights and sounds, if you will, of the game. Any classic memories of plays or just, you know, emblematic things that stick in your mind when you think about it that you saw in the game?
Chris:
You know, if I, I mean just as as a general overview of the experience as a whole, I would say this was a real pretty kind of whole hum in terms of Super Bowls, you know, I mean for 2 1/2 quarters, there really was not a ton of action. Now it's the Super Bowl. So, so the stakes are high, which automatically, you know, makes every play more interest. Thing and every every drive, every score. You know, it just amplifies everything. But without that amplification, I don't know that this Super Bowl would have brought a lot of excitement until about, I don't know, six more 6 minutes to go or so in the third quarter. And then it turned into a into a game. So if you. Sat through the pregame festivities and all the, you know, the songs that had before the game started and the introductions and and then you sat through halftime and watched the usher. You know, halftime show and and then, you know, coming out of half and and you did all that. It's kind of like man we you know I feel like I spent 2 1/2 hours of my life and and haven't really gotten much bang from from entertainment Buck if you've just tuned in you know halfway through the third quarter I I think you would have felt like wow that was one of the better games. We've seen, you know, the the back, the back and forth scoring, you know you went to overtime. I mean both teams scored in overtime. I mean you know it had all the ingredients that it would take to make for an amazing game. But in reality like the. Actual product was just kind of like, I mean it's fine as a Super Bowl man. It was cool. I had a nice day. You know, we had good food at the. House and you know, Super Bowl's more of event, a social event than it is like a sporting event nowadays. And, you know, obviously I'm in it for the sport part of it. But many people watch Super Bowl strictly for the event itself and. I don't know, man. I mean, you know there, there, there were a couple of. You know big, big plays obviously in the game, a couple of those special teams plays in the moment were big that fumble. We already talked about was big. I thought it was interesting that, you know, they talked about it after the fact. You know, a lot of guys I didn't, I didn't know the overtime rules I had left for a second when they went to overtime and I, you know, I don't remember. I left to grab something to drink or or or what? But I I came back and I was like man dude, they explained. Because I I don't recall exactly how these rules. Work and I was waiting for them to like reiterate like, hey, this just a reminder, this is how the new overtime rules go and it was pretty funny as as the right before the Chiefs won, the clock's ticking, you know, and you can see the second winding down 171615, the Chiefs had two timeouts and I'm hollering. I was rooting for the Chiefs in the game. And so, you know, I'm hollering. At my television set saying call time out. What are you doing? You got two timeouts. You know what I mean? Call timeout and and. Right about then I think Romo came on and said for those of you who are yelling at your TV, telling him to call timeouts, you gotta think about this as, you know, at the end of the first quarter, you know, they're gonna carry over. This. Is this just the first quarter of overtime? And I was like, OK, alright, so it makes a lot more sense now that they're not more hurried, but. When Michael Hartman catches that touchdown, you expect a little more fanfare, and I think you could kind of tell that some of the players didn't really know what had just happened, either, and it was kind of like, hey, yeah, we scored a touchdown. What does. That mean it means you win the Super Bowl. Oh, really? OK.
Kelly:
Yeah, I I mean, I read one article that Mahomes had to tell the wide receiver that him catching that meant they won the Super Bowl.
Chris:
Yeah. And and Michael Hardman afterwards had said, like, I don't know, I blacked out, man, I, you know, I ran my route. I caught my pass. And then after that, it. I I don't remember anything until Patrick came over and said, hey, we just won the Super Bowl and he's and I think my whole heart and said Oh yeah bet sweet like. So pretty funny, but I think a lot of us were a little confused on exactly. You know, it took a minute to process.
Kelly:
I I will say, and I wish they would do it for all all games I get why they don't, but I did. I had read an article about the overtime rules before the game, so I was at least familiar with what was going to happen. But I like the way that I like those rules, way better than what they do during the regular season.
Chris:
So you were obviously in Andy Reid's camp, who apparently went over this multiple times and covered it again in the two weeks they had leading up to the Super Bowl. And apparently Shanahan did not, you know, cover this with everybody. I know at least use check. And I forget who the other guy was that came out and said, hey, I didn't know what the overtime rules were. We, you know, we never covered it. And you know, I think again that's something like where the media is making a mountain out of a molehill and just looking for something to talk about. And you know, that's what they got. They got to fill up their time with something. And but I don't think it's that big a deal, but. Yeah. I mean, apparently the Chiefs players were pretty dialed in and and knew, knew what the rules were and and at least a couple of the 49ers guys didn't.
Kelly:
You know. It's one of those things and I do think they got to fill whatever airtime column inches in the paper electronic space on the web page. The media's got to have something to say. I will say if we go back to, you know, I've been from the beginning when we started, Chris, it probably did have a small impact. So in that, if you remember our first podcast, we talked about route running and just how much repetition and practice makes a difference. And so, you know, if they didn't go over it a few times, you know, bad on them a tiny bit, it's probably, you know, never happen again. And maybe that's that one little extra step that made a difference. You never know.
Chris:
Right in in this game, very easily we, I mean, you know, for 49ers. Had every opportunity to win this game, they vary, you know, they, you know, I said this all the time. If they played the game 10 times, you know, it might go five and five men. I mean, these were very evenly matched teams. Only one team gets to win. But the 49ers had, you know, multiple opportunities that could have gone their way. And, you know, I just give credit to Mahomes. And I mean, there was a point in the game in which he he had run for the first down, it was third and two, he ran for the first down and then shortly after. He ended up just kind of running 3 running free. It looked like a design quarterback draw like it was called that way and it was just brilliant relative to the defense cause all the defensive guys just turned their back and started covering receivers, and meanwhile Mahomes is just running free through the middle of the field and. When he got up from that, there was a close up. Of his face and you know, camera kind of shot into his helmet and you could just see the look in his eyes. And I was watching the game here with your brother Tim and and my father was. And we were talking and and Tim and I couldn't look at each other and said, oh, man, the 49ers are in trouble now. You know, the Mahomes said, just as I look in his eyes like. You know, I will not be stopped. And it took a little while to to really kind of show that and those couple of running plays, he came up kind of huffing and puffing. And I see this from McCaffrey too. So, you know, McCaffrey was carrying the load man and and from a running back position, guys just don't do what McCaffrey does. And they got almost never comes off the field. So. And he's running routes. He's he's picking up blitzers. He's running the ball, he's catching the ball. You know what? And and Mccaffrey's huffing and puffing and and, you know, he's just not all there, like, physically, you know what I mean? His energy is a little bit drained, but his focus is 100% and his will and his want to. And that's kind of what I felt like with Patrick Mahomes when he took off on those runs. He was a little winded. And you got only got, you know, 42nd play clock and and you gotta get cracking right. Well, he's still a little winded from you know running for 20 yards and eluding tacklers and getting tackled and picking himself off the ground and then he has to run to the huddle and now he's he's just trying to catch. Breath. So from a physical standpoint, he's below 100%. You know he's just a little, a little bit tired from the the last couple of things he just did and and hasn't really had an opportunity to catch his breath, but from a mental standpoint he he is dialed, you know what I mean? And so you know, a lot of times like you got to remember both those things come into play, right? It's not just. How do you feel physically? How much weight can you lift or how fast can you run it? It's how you can put those things to use as well and. Mahomes, after the the you know those couple runs just it just he just had a different look in his eyes and he was a, you know, a little bit gas, a little bit tired and now he's just gutting it out on willpower. And and I almost feel like he plays better under those conditions when when he's maybe not 100% physically but he's entirely engaged in the game and dialed in mentally and once he hit that. You know, he's it's just like Jordan, dude, it's just like Tom Brady. It's just like Wayne Gretzky or any any great, you know, athlete. They go into a mode where they're hyper focused and and the reality is like nobody, nobody can stop these guys in the homes. I just feel like he's one of those guys, man. Like once he's dialed, there's nothing you. Can do to.
Kelly:
Stop that guy. So if you can. Can you give a little and you might not be able to do, but because I agree with what you said, obviously I didn't see the look on his face and things, but. It's like there was a point in the third quarter when was like he just found that level that not everybody has. But can you give anymore of a sense of what you saw in his face or just break that down a little more if you can?
Chris:
You know it's boy. I don't. I don't know how to put it into words. Exactly. That's a tough one. But you know, it's just a, an intensity, you know, you're you're. You're come close. Together your. You you you can see focus on your face, almost like you're trying to read something. You know what I mean? Like it requires more focus and you know, or you're deep in thought or whatever. You know what I mean? Like there, there's just a certain, like everything else disappears and I'm, you know, I'm. I'm focused on this one singular thing and obviously like not if a quarterback has to focus on multiple things. But, but there's a certain intensity that comes with it, where everything else falls away and you are solely engaged into one singular activity and a lot of times facial expressions will show that the same way they show happiness or sadness or whatever. And there's just, there's just, you know, muscles in the. It's that, you know, move based on on emotion. And you know they're they're, you know you you can just see it dude. You can just see based on the the the the the look on. Someone's face, you know, kind of like the way Kelsey's face looked when he ran in to read and had some had some words for him about coming out of the game or, you know. Whatever he had to say to Andy in that moment, like, I mean, you could just take a snapshot, a still a still frame of of Travis Kelsey's face. And if you could give it to 100 people and and you say, hey, do you think this guy looks happy or sad or angry? Is he intense or subdued? You know what I mean? And without knowing any of the words or any of the context or anything, you could just give you could give a person a still. Shot of his face and you know, 100 out of 100 is gonna say that guy's intense. You know what I mean? That guy's fire. That guy's angry. That guy's you know. No one's gonna say like, yeah, he looks calm. You know what I mean? And you know, with Mahomes? It's hard to describe man in words. It's just a it's it. You know? His face projected a feeling that I like. I will not be stopped. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you know who I am. And so he. The confidence that he had that his face showed was just that, like, dude, I'm we are winning this football game. And I in his mind, it was 100% certainty. Like I I will not be stopped. So and like I said, his face just kind of echoed that.
Kelly:
Well, I'm curious at the end of the game and I always think about this. How much? This has got to be, I mean, you know, ABC Sports used to have at the throw a victory, the agony of defeat. Do they show the losing team much on camera?
Chris:
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's some coverage. I mean, they focus on the winning team. Obviously, you know what I mean? Let's say it's a. Eight to two spread or something like that, right? Yeah, absolutely. Like they showed Kittle walking off the field. You know, the the 49ers. I mean, a couple of freak plays. You want to talk? You know, you asked me earlier about something that jumped out. Green law. Like, I don't know if he blew out his his Achilles or or what. I don't know what the injury was, but talk about a freak like accident.
Kelly:
Ohh yeah man.
Chris:
Like you know, and we actually rewound it at the house. You know, mail man missed it, and Tim and I are like, hey, dude, you gotta see this and talk about freak, man, and you know, he literally was just on the sidelines waiting for his turn to go in. And he was all fired up, you know, and and intense. And he took off to run, to go get to his middle linebacker spot and blew out his leg somehow. They were like, what the heck? You don't? No contact, no nothing. I mean, he literally just tried to run. Fell down and you know Kittle got hurt, went back to the locker room. Debo talk about it? I do. I just love that guy, man. Deebo. Samuel was. I just love everything about that guy. And, you know, obviously he was injured, he got hurt, and he came up non contact, pulled, came up holding the back of his leg, you know, and fell to the ground and training. That came out, and in today's NFL that look when a guy's running and he pulls up lane. And, you know, just falls down in place and and clearly like, either was just an ACL or a hamstring, something something just went wrong with his leg. And generally speaking, in today's NFL, you don't see that guy again for a month. And Debo was back, like then, like, next series or two series later. You know, he wouldn't looked at a little bit and. And he came back and you can see he was a little hobbled, but the toughness of that guy is just unbelievable, man. I mean, you know. One out of one out of 10 guys, you know, devil's like the only guy who would come back from what I saw. I've seen that exact scene, you know, 50 times in, in, in, in Pro Football where a guy did that exact same thing he's running. You know, he grabs the back of his leg. He hops on one leg for a couple of steps and then he just hits the ground and lays there. And I've seen that exact same thing. Play out and 49 times the guy was out for weeks and Deebo Samuel was was gone for like 10 minutes.
Kelly:
Well, before we put a cap on Super Bowl 58, got to ask you the most important question about the game. Just because we talked about it on the podcast to be named later. What was the confetti like?
Chris:
Oh, I mean, I didn't even see it. Dude, I ohh man, you gotta give me a heads up that these uh, you know, I didn't even see it, you know. Uh. Yeah, boy, alright.
Kelly:
Chris, you have homework between now and next season, you gotta go find the confetti.
Chris:
I didn't know this was recurring homework, Sir. I I thought that was a one time thing. So yeah, man, now that I know I have to watch it in every championship game. I I'll. I'll make a point of it going forward, but you gotta sneak attack you with this one.
Kelly:
Dude, you just missed it. You just missed the extra point.
Chris:
Yeah, you. Dude, you got you got to tell me. We just scored a touchdown. I didn't even know. So.
Kelly:
This is the Super Bowl, baby. You gotta be prepared for the unexpected. This is.
Chris:
Yeah. Yeah, dude, you got me off my toes. Come coming back from break. You know, we we haven't talked in a couple of weeks and all of a sudden, you know, you're throwing hidden news. I didn't know about the Chip Kelly movement and you know, I I missed the production memo, Bud.
Kelly:
Well, you better talk to the producer better. Better at sending it out. I you know, I used, I I'd say this. I mean the I I think this was an entertaining game. I'm not sure it's going to be one that's going to live in my memory for like a long time. The last whatever you know. Third of the game maybe was really exciting and the overtime was exciting, but and again, it's the Super Bowl. So there's a lot more to it, but you called it home hum, I think. And I mean I will say the first part of it really was again it's still the Super Bowl and ending was great. The ones I really don't like. Especially at the Super Bowls, when it's a blowout.
Chris:
No, I mean, you know, The thing is if you look at it from like a score standpoint and and with no other context than that, you would think like oh man, this game must have been amazing because they went back and forth. You know, there was tie games, they went to overtime, I mean, but when you look at it from like a field standpoint like, you know, how did the the Super Bowl make you feel as you were watching it? You know, maybe it was because there was really no big plays, like everything was, you know, real **** and dunk, you know, it was good football. It was good tackling. You know, they they highlighted the way Bosa was playing from his end position and and maintaining his. You know, lane integrity and and you know, it's really, really good football on both sides, all all four if you want and even special teams for that matter. I mean, we had a 55 yard field goal that was the longest in foot in Super Bowl history and then few minutes later butter gets up and kicks a 57 to to set the new record. And then later there's another 53. Think yarder by Moody again and you know they put a stat up that in 57 years or 57 Super Bowl. Goals. There have been 7 field goals, 50 yards or more, and in this game there was three in one game, so that was a crazy step.
Kelly:
Yeah, about that, though, you know, dude makes a 55 year yard field goal like record of all time. Probably in his head. Wow, that's kind of cool. And doesn't even get to hold the record for probably more.
Chris:
Than 30 minutes, right? Yeah. The record gets broken in the same quarter and yeah, pretty crazy, man. But, you know, just locked. I mean, the, the, the, Miko Hardman was the biggest play I can think of. I mean, there was a, you know, obviously the fumbles always matter, right? So those are always big plays. But you know when you when you, you get that rise, you know you're watching a game and you know you just saw something big happen. This game just didn't have a ton of them, you know, like I said, the the the fumble punt was a was a huge one. That was a a big game changing event. But that was one, you know, the Miko Hardman catch was was won, you know, just wasn't like a slew of them by any means. And so, you know, as the game went on, I mean, like I said, it was really good football, good tackling, good play calling. You know, you had to fight for everything, man. I mean, the both defenses were elite in this game, and you could just tell, I mean, the offenses are playing fine. They're not making any mistakes, but the defense just isn't giving them anything. And so from that respect, it was really good football. But just from an entertainment perspective, it was just like I said, kind of like it was, you know, it's close game but didn't give me the emotional highs and lows. You know that maybe you would have expected.
Kelly:
No, I think for me, the game that I mean, obviously the Packers winning their Super Bowls. But when I think Super Bowl for whatever reason. The one, the one that sticks out at me was the Saint Louis, Tennessee game. Right. That's still when I think Super Bowl like drama and I know there's a lot of other things that but for whatever reason that one you know the guy almost making it in to score just always jumps out in my mind.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean and the, the, the Falcons game, the Seattle Seahawks and the Patriots, that one. Was, you know, really just really intense man. Where, I mean, you just knew, like, you know, any any one play could could make the make or break this game and you know they throw the bomb down the sidelines then Lynch comes in and you know gains 4 yards on 1st down and then you know all the Seahawks are going to win the Super Bowl and then you know Wilson. Throws that pick and ohh the Patriots are gonna win the Super Bowl and and you know the. Tyree helmet catch, you know, with the the Giants or even the one with the The Who the Panthers play Jake Delome Carolon Panthers was that maybe the Patriots too? Probably. It's always the patriots, but that one, you know, was another slow starting game and then they scored like, you know, I remember what it was like 34 points. In like 1/4 and 1/2 or something like that and and it was back and forth back and forth, back and forth. And yeah, this one just for whatever reason just didn't have. The same feel.
Kelly:
Even the ending, like if I think about even just endings, not even the whole game, the. If I look just at the ending, I think the so the one I mentioned, the Tennessee Rams game was the, the whole game was pretty competitive. The just like, wow, I don't believe this is what happened. Ending for me is still Seattle against New England that I can't believe they passed the ball.
Chris:
Yeah, that was probably for me too, man. I as far as endings, like the most given what had just transpired, the most improbable, you know. And now if you, you know, if you told me, like Brady drove down with 7 seconds and and, you know, kicked a field goal. I mean, I almost would believe that more, you know. But yeah that one. Probably stands out to me as the most like what just happened.
Kelly:
Yeah. I just remember I can still hear the actually it was. Chris Collinsworth was the color analyst. I believe it would have been. Alan Michaels was a play by play, but I just remember him being everybody being so surprised. But you know, it's really amazing what a spectacle has become. OK, I'll give you another on the spot question. We won't go deep on this, but any commercials really jump out at you thought, wow, that's pretty cool. Or wow, I can't believe they spent $7,000,000 on that.
Chris:
There's a bunch that I couldn't believe they spent $7,000,000 on, but the one that jumped out for sure was the Jlo of Ben Affleck. The Dunkin' Donuts one was the I'll put it this way. The only one I went back and watched again on you. Tube was that one because I, you know, I watched it in the moment on on, you know, during the Super Bowl. And then today I or maybe it was yesterday I I went and I said let me watch that again that was pretty funny. And so that's the only one I went back and actually like Googled and watched a second time and.
Kelly:
Well, give us a give us a rundown on that one from what you remember, we're bringing it. Up and well.
Chris:
They had Tom Brady on the turntables and like just, you know, this is what you get when you hire really good actors too. So you know, Ben Affleck, I mean you, you know, you can debate what, how good an actor he is or whatever. But I mean, the fact is he's a professional actor and and. You know Matt Damon? It's just their roles were awesome, dude, and that, you know, you could just really see it. And you know, Tom was the only guy who was kind of out of his element, I think. But he he just, he played his role so well and it was. I'm still. I'm smiling. Just talking about it right now. You probably like hear it. Hear, hear it in my voice. You know that that I'm laughing while I while I re envision it. You know, they come in and you know you know there's a little. You know, pre scene where they're in the car and and the one guy's like man, I don't think this is a good idea, man. And then it's like, no, no, man, I'm she's coming to my work. I'm I'm about to show what I can do, you know and. And so they show up to the recording studio where Jlo's working on her next song and they came busting in the door and Bens the only guy who's all fired up about this. You know what I mean? He thinks it's a great idea and Matt Damon is just like abs. This is a terrible idea, buddy. Like, we shouldn't be doing this, you know? And he's standing in the corner and he has this one line to read and and he's like, you know, man, I'm so. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. We're doing this right. Now and Tom plays this role where like, you know, almost like he feels like he, he knows he's not supposed to be there either. But whatever Ben said show up. And so I'm I'm going to do. I'm going to do it, you know and you know, kind of like I'm just happy to be here. Thanks for inviting me guys. And everyone just plays the role great dude and even Jlo. You know at the end she's like just, you know, basically you guys get out of here and it's like, well, Tom, you can stay. And that was that was the one that probably jumped out to me as my favorite. That that made me laugh. And that was pretty good.
Kelly:
So you know another football season in the books and the NFL never sleeps. Obviously, we'll have to combine in a couple of weeks the draft and more. What's what's what are you looking forward to in the off season and what are your early predictions for next year?
Chris:
Well, I'm, you know, I'm. I'm in the same boat. Dude that you know, I told you before, we actually started recording that, like, you know, I was looking today at wide receiver prospects, you know, I mean, I've already kind of got the quarterbacks dialed, you know, I got a a dynasty team that I gotta I gotta rebuild. And yeah, I mean I'm, you know, obviously not in the NFL and not a head head coach of any NFL team or a GM. Or anything. So if I'm doing this kind of work that you know, two days after the Super Bowl, imagine what those guys are up to. So you know, I'm, I'm sure, the Chiefs will celebrate for a little bit the the 49ers will sulk for a little bit and. You know the other teams have had a little little bit of time already. You know the Buffalo Bills and and Ravens and and those that have had an opportunity to kind of get over the losses that they experiment experience. You know the Lions had a bad one, even the Packers too. I mean they had their game at the 49ers, you know, winnable and. And so I think most of those guys are probably over that by now. Or as much as they're gonna get over it, you know, it'll probably always hang on them. But you know, there's there's it's not gonna get any worse from here. Right. So now, yeah, man. I mean, you moved to. I mean, there's they already had the senior bowl. They're they're they're combines coming up, I think in, I don't know, a week and a half to maybe 2 weeks and. They you know, you'll get on to like, hey, you know who's the fresh young blood coming out of college? You know, what do? How are we going to improve our team? What do we need? You know, where do we fail this year? Do we need a cornerback? Do we need an edge rusher? Do we do to, you know, revamp the offensive line? You know, we got these guys under contract, you know, and so all 32 teams are doing the same thing. Like game, and who can we keep? You know who? Where do we need to improve? And you know all of those efforts will start, you know, immediately. So the coaches have all been hired. You see a a real. You know, real movement, man. I think everyone's trying to copy the, the Mcveigh's and the shanahans and and and the, you know, McDaniels and Lafleur's and and, you know, everyone wants to get young man. Everyone wants a young, you know, 30 something head coach. And they feel like that's the recipe. It's copy pet cap lead and there's some older guys still. I mean Andy Reid's pretty old man. But.
Kelly:
65.
Chris:
You know. Well, I don't. Yeah, well, you're probably getting getting close to approaching that. So I don't want to make you feel, but.
Kelly:
Yeah. And when do you hit the big 50, big boy?
Chris:
Pretty soon. So yeah. Yeah. A year and change. Yeah. So, you know, but Reed's still there. I mean, there's a couple of other ones too, but.
Kelly:
Two years, I think, right.
Chris:
You know Belichick's, you know, no longer employed Steve Pete Carroll's. No, no longer employed, you know, and and some of the older guys have have been cast aside and, you know, they made room for the young kids. So we'll see how they work out, you know, every year, they'll be movement man. Guys will work out. Guys won't work out. And but all the 32 coaches have been hired and you can see a real youth movement. In the hiring process this year.
Kelly:
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking, I think they hired 8 new coaches this year. If I'm not mistaken, that's like 1/4 of the league dude.
Chris:
Yeah, that would be exactly 1/4 of the league, so.
Kelly:
You know, we'll, we'll see. I you know. At least one of those guys is probably be gone after two years and probably half of them after three. The way the league works now.
Chris:
Yeah, and well, we talked about this to open the show, man. I mean, it's just movement. Do you you, you talked. About 3 of. The four final teams in college football all all went on and got new head coaches, so you know, it's just the nature of sports now, man. I mean, you know players as well, but assistants are movement moving every year. Guys are are getting fired. Guys are moving up and then head coaches, you know, just the players man. It's just a A, you know, kind of like our society man. It's a it's a real short attention span. You know I think you're seeing a reflection of who people are that you know we don't got 10 years. To work on something anymore. Man, we got 2.
Kelly:
You know what I wonder? I mean, I get it that, you know, it's a sport, and especially if you've been coaching the head coach in the NFL, like that's some pretty rarefied air. But I do wonder, you know, it's kind of odd to think about a guy like Bill Belichick. I realize he didn't end up with a gig this year, but after you've been, like, basically running the show at a place for as long as people, coaches like that have. It just seems kind of odd to think about like. Bill Belichick put in the suit and tie on to go for a new job interview. I mean, I realize it's a coaching and all that, but.
Chris:
I think he walks in with a resume and.
Kelly:
Says hi, I'm bill. You know, I'm here for my interview. I mean, I think it just shows, I mean you can be the top dog, but I mean obviously the people with the money that run the team, there's, there's just another level there.
Chris:
Please wait here, Sir. Yeah, for sure. So I mean, make no mistake, man, the the at the end of the day, the owners, the guys with the big, the big big bank accounts, they, they, they call the shots at the end of the day.
Kelly:
You know so well, we'll see just before we call it an episode. You got. I know you're into auto racing. So next weekend we've got the. It's always funny, the Daytona 500, the biggest race of the year, kind of like their own Super Bowl, starts out first. Pitchers and catchers showed up already for baseball, and there was some footage out on the web of Shoya Otani batting for the first time in practice for the Dodgers.
Chris:
Yeah, I I mean, you know, I I was actually talking with a buddy of mine and you know, we pretty, you know that both of us agreed that this is just, you know, the deadest period in sports, there's stuff going on. But you know, NASCAR, I like NASCAR. I mean, I'm into it. You know, I I understand it's not the most popular. Sport, but you know, for me baseball, you know, we've covered this on the show. Baseball is just so long and it's it's hard for me to get up for 162 games and all that. So I don't. I don't jump into baseball, you know, I'll, I'll follow some news. Right, a little bit and then I'll I'll track the standings and and throughout the year and and. Catch a game or two. I might even like go to a game or two and but I'm just biting time, right? So baseball's just gonna be forever. So you know I'm not. I'm not. I'm just not as into it as I as I would be for football and. You know, feels like basketball and hockey have been going on for a while. For a long time, and they're not even to the halfway point yet. And it's just kind of like, alright, well, let me know when you get closer, you know and you know, so for me NASCAR kind of fills in the gap a little bit. I can kind of loosely track the other sports we got about a month. A month and change before March Madness. That'll be like a little blip on the radar. You know, it's it's really. I mean, it's really about one weekend, but you know, it's two weekends back-to-back that are really exciting in sports and and you know, that'll fill up my time when that comes around, you know, we talked a little bit about putting a league together this year for the Home Run Derby. That'll be cool. That'll give us something to kind of track through baseball. But for me, you know, I mean, I'm a sports fan. And I'll I'll kind of loosely follow them all, you know, NFL and college or the, you know, football are are the only sports that I I follow, you know, intently and and and and and and entirely dove into while while it's taking place the rest. Just kind of loosely follow. So I got several months of just kind of loosely following stuff until we swing back around the football season for myself. Well, will you be, you know, we we got all the other major sports will be going, which one do you think will, you know, garner the most of your attention you think?
Kelly:
You know, really it's it's much like what you just said right now. It's really. It's a lot of dead air, if you will, especially so February after the Super Bowl is probably the worst because. Just not much happening like from an excitement standpoint as you said you get a couple of weeks you know the the the first two weekends of the March madness are great. The final four it's it's OK, but it's not like all consuming. I really like the first weekend of March Madness, the best man it's just. And it goes up so quick, but you start turning those games on on Thursday and there's this one or two upsets and that rolls through. So that'll that's a little brick. I'll get a little jazzed for the first week of baseball opening day will happen, you know, a little bit of excitement, but it quickly just kind of. I enjoy it as a background thing, but then it kind of settles just like that background. You don't really get excited about the. That till you know 4th of July or so and hockey and the hockey and basketball a I'm not as much into them but two both their regular season and their playoffs are so blasted long. You know, so. As a sports fan, I'll be kind of on a little bit of a holding pattern. I'd say, you know till June, July with just a couple of weekends here and there where I sprinkle in. I'm curious what your take is.
Chris:
I think we got Olympics this year in Paris, don't we? That's this year. Yeah. Yeah. So that I get up for the Olympics that.
Kelly:
Oh, I love the Olympics, dude, right?
Chris:
Is 1. That, that, we'll, we'll grab my attention and and that is that is something that I'll follow closely. I I love the Olympics. You know, I actually it kind of slipped my mind. I forgot that that. Was this year so. That that's cool.
Kelly:
I can't remember when it starts, but I love the Olympics. And even though I don't like the way the US media covers it much, because I want to see the competitions more than the stories, I know I'm the guy in this podcast that's keep saying it's about the stories in sports, but or if you're going to tell me the stories I want to see more than just us. I know it was really interesting living in Seattle. Because on the cable system we had back when I had cable, we got a CBC channel on our cable system and justice the way they cover the Olympics like it's all sports, all the time. On the Canadian coverage, unlike the US. But it's still exciting to have all this stuff going on, and justice the drama, and that will be a nice little summer thing as well. I was going to ask before you brought up the Olympics any interest in whatever it is XFL, USL merger. I don't even know what they're. Calling it now.
Chris:
But you know, I'll give it another try, man. I've continued to try and for whatever reason, it's never held me in the past, man. You know, arena football, XFL, you know? You know the European leagues, I I mean, I just. You know, you, you it it just, maybe, maybe it's just a a level of exhaustion. You know, I and I follow college sports, you know, probably more than most. But and then I follow and NFL intensely and you know I'll be honest man I you know I I do a postseason fantasy league. You know, you know all this stuff like you, man, I got, you know, draft kings and FanDuel and and you know all these best ball leagues and all this and this and this and I and so football season I got you know, 11 irons in the fire you know and following in the Super Bowl. You know, I I finished out my spreadsheet and closed everything out. I I made the last payouts on on my, you know, accounts and stuff and got everybody paid and it's just I kind of wipe my hands and it's like alright, I'm done. That's it. It's over. So you know, I think maybe my energy I need the. Like dude, you know what I mean? Like I I I'm happy when it's all over to some degree that there's a little bit of sadness that it's over, but man, it's it's actually kind of a relief. And so I wonder if maybe you know those other lead. Leagues are just like man, I don't got the energy for them, dude. So I mean, I'm. I'm sure I'll give it a shot, you know? I mean, I'll try and watch, but you know, usually what happens is either I don't know when the games are taking place or I I'm I'm, you know, I'm not fully invested in it. You know, as a fan, I don't even know what I don't know the teams. I don't have a team to root for. You know, I don't know any of the players. And so it's historically been tough for me to to get into.
Kelly:
I'll probably watch of that. You know, I usually I'm kind of interested in how they cover it in just the broadcasting of it. I watch a weekend or two, but honestly doesn't hold my interest. I got to go back because he talked about, you know, the the, the gambling and all that dude. How the heck did they do this? I believe it the Super Bowl. Final over under was 46.5.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean, I saw it at 47 1/2 and held strong there. Yeah, and they they nailed it.
Kelly:
That is crazy, dude.
Chris:
Yeah. And then, I mean, they're they're good at what they do, buddy. Good at what they do.
Kelly:
I mean, it's just, I haven't studied it to know how often the lines are like that, but I think more often than not they are. I don't know. I won't give you this homework, but I am. Maybe I'll try and see if I can figure something out our website or something. I am kind of curious like just even something that simple like how often are they within a point or two of having the. Final score, you know correct.
Chris:
Right. Yeah, I mean quite, quite often it feels like quite often so.
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The line.
Kelly:
It does like it seems like very rarely is. There a huge myth.
Chris:
Yep, yeah, Vegas is. I wonder how they did. I don't. I don't know where the money went. I will say this from the media coverage and from just like listening to people talk on the radio all week, you know, from Radio Row and listening to players and coaches and, you know, all the analysts and blah, blah, blah. It sure felt like everyone was kind of, like, felt like the Chiefs. Was the better team. I mean, they knew both teams. Good. But San Francisco held strong as the favorite from from Go. They opened. They opened as the favorite. They stayed the favorite throughout the line, moved around a little bit, but it sure felt like everyone thought Kansas City was going to win this game. But somehow San Francisco was favored. So I don't know how that works.
Kelly:
Yeah, I don't know. I just, you know, I think overall it was a good season. I would say the last thing I would say is Kansas City, I think if they're going to make a three peat, they've got to go get another wide receiver in the off season. That's, to me, the number one thing they've got to do.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean, you know they, I mean they're pretty, they got, they got some other issues, man. Chris Jones isn't signed, Sneed isn't signed, you know. I mean they, you know, I already heard. And I I don't know the accuracy to this and but that my homes had already talked about restructuring you know kind of kind of taking the the Brady route you know. And I give him props for that. I mean, he's just such an easy guy to like, man. And to root for her. So I can understand why you would hate him because he because he keeps winning. Same reason Brady was hated by a lot of the country. But. You know, the Brady was never the highest paid quarterback ever, and a lot of times he was grossly underpaid relative to other people. But he didn't care. He just wanted to win championships and Mahomes, you know, I, I had, I forget where I heard it, but someone had said that Mahomes had already come out and said, yeah, man, you know, whatever, I'll restructure. I just want players, man, I want to do this again and again. Like you know, and so we'll see if they, you know, can get creative and restructure his deal and free up some cap space and keep this team to. The other and you know, obviously I agree with you, man. The one thing that shouldn't be a problem is there's some pretty solid wide receivers that are free agents. And I don't know what their cap space is is going to be that you know that that's available to them to sign a veteran but you know you get a guy like T Higgins off the Bengals. He's a free agent, you know. I mean, he would fit right in with. Homes, I mean, there's a number of guys who are pros that they could go sign or, you know there this is a really, really rich young wide receiver. Draft class and you know a little more gamble on that end. You know, you never know exactly how those guys skill sets are going to transfer to the NFL, but if if anyone can succeed, it would be with Patrick Mahome as the quarterback. So you know, we'll see what they do, but I agree. I mean the the wide receiver group, I mean, they could do well to, you know, hold on to. Rashid Rice and then just flush everybody else out, man, you're all gone, and we're just gonna start over fresh with new dudes. Cause they were terrible this year.
Kelly:
I mean, I think they've shown that they don't need a lot like they don't need the elite of the elite and they can still do. OK, but yes, and they won the Super Bowl. But you know, there was a little more struggle this year and. You know, Kelsey's not getting any younger. He's still got some. If he, I don't know how much more he'll play, but just. I don't know what you know. You got to have a little more for Mahomes to throw to, especially with a talent like he has. Just get him a little more. Yeah. I mean, what? Tony didn't even play since, like, December 15th or something.
Chris:
Yeah. Ohh he he ain't gonna be like he ain't gonna be back, dude. So yeah, kadarius. Tony's done done. Now he may find another job in the league somewhere, but ain't gonna be in Kansas City or New York.
Kelly:
And it could be, I mean, you know more. I hope he does, man, I mean.
Chris:
Well, really, that team, I mean the the credits of them credit credits to Andy Reid and not being so prideful and and just you know, you know there's old saying man you know start from where you're at with the tools you've been given you know right and just make the best of what you. Yeah, man. And they switched their their whole identity to and it's kind of funny because, you know, for all those years that the Patriots are dominant, they're early. The early years, the first half was all built on defense. And Tom went out and kind of managed the game and did what he could. And they won Super Bowls, you know, on their defense. And then later, as you know, Tom. Became a lead and and the offense changed and you know. What's the name? McDaniels. Yeah, I think Josh McDaniels, you know, opened things up. And they had Gronk and Edelman and and, you know, for a little while. Randy Moss and. And so they were a little more high flying and the offense was carrying them, and the Chiefs are kind of doing it backwards. You know, initially their offense was what they hung their hats on, and they just outscored. Everybody and and defense do the best job he can and now it's really been a full role reversal where the defense is what's carrying that team. They're they they they're mostly like a power. Running team and they have my homes who can do anything at any point. He can run it for 22 yards, you know, he can get a third and seventeen with his legs or he can Chuck it 60 yards, you know, I mean he, you know, have him homes. Sure. Freeze things up. You know if you need one big play on 1/3 down and 12 like Mahomes is you know he can do that still but their their identity was more with Pacheco and power. Running and short passing and a ball control and and and having the defense carry the team. So if they can keep that unit intact, I mean, you know, I don't know who at based on what just took place. I don't know who you could pick in front of them as a as more of a favorite than them.
Kelly:
Yeah, I mean, we'll see, you know, we'll come July, I'm sure we'll. Put down something you know in the old podcast sphere of who we're looking for, but right now I'd say they got to be one of the odds on favorites, you know, pending anything strange happened in the off season. And I I would just say this. I think this is where again, coaching comes in, is super important. And especially in today's NFL. You do. I think the coaches that can adapt their to what they have in the cupboard as opposed to saying this is how you, you know, this is my way and this is what we're going to do if they don't have that in the in the cupboard, if you will or. On the bench. It don't work because it's just. You can't. You don't have that. Stockpile of reserves like, I mean, you know before they had salary cap and stuff, you have a whole bunch of great players on the bench.
Chris:
Yeah, kind of like college. You know what I mean? A A defensive lineman goes down in college and you just bring the next guy up and you know he might not have as much experience in playing time, but he's just as or very close to his talented the guy who's in front of him in the NFL. That's not the case, man. There's significant drop offs. You know, you lose a, you know, a a key cog on your team, the way your team is built. You better adjust pretty quick and I think that's what happened to Kansas City. They realize, man, we don't have anyone who can catch a football and they're just double and triple team and Travis and no one else can catch the ball and so alright, well, I guess we'll just run it. And so they they morphed into that and you know, ended up winning the Super Bowl and that's credit to Andy Reid. I mean, for me, I'm he's definitely right up there for one of my favorite coaches. Now he's just a likeable dude. And just a great football coach man that understands the game and like like you said, man take, you know, takes the ingredients that are available to him and his covered and you know, doesn't try to make spaghetti and meatballs out of, you know, chicken and panko, right?
Kelly:
No, I mix corn dogs. He makes corn dogs, dude.
Chris:
Yeah, he's uh. He's impressive man and.
Kelly:
Whatever they said, that last play was called Corn Dog of some sort.
Chris:
I didn't. Yeah. I didn't know that.
Kelly:
Yeah, I saw it at.
Chris:
I wonder about your.
Kelly:
And one of the post interview game interview things, they asked him what was the final play call or something I didn't hear at all, but I know. He said something about corn dog.
Chris:
Well, and for a guy who's 65 years old and and and coaching 20 somethings you know, he just seems to do it just such an amazing job of connecting with the players man and and you know that's one of the probably that might be the single biggest struggle for a lot of these coaches man is is to make a connection with your players dude and to. Just speak to them in terms that they understand and you know, for a dude who's one of the oldest guys in in the league, maybe the oldest. I don't know who's old. Than him for him to continually connect with these young players and get the most out of them. I mean really speaks to who he is, you know, in terms of.
Kelly:
Being a leader of men well, and I think again, you know, the times have changed dramatically, right? We go back. Vince Lombardi. It's, you know my way or the highway and. You know, putting fear into you nowadays with the players have so many outlets and relatively speaking, make so much money, you know, no matter where you're on the roster. I don't think they fear the coaches as much.
Chris:
No, that that old Bill Parcells and Vince Lombardi and that, that's that stuff just ain't gonna fly in today's age. Man, these guys are already millionaires, you know, nowadays coming into the league, man, they're already getting that NFL money before they even got to the league. They're, you know, they've been making millions like. You know you, they just. You just gotta talk to them different and and you know right or wrong, man. I mean, you can we can, you know, spend a whole podcast arguing that if we wanted to. But the point is this is who they are. And you know, you better find a way to connect with them if you wanna win. I mean, you gotta you gotta get your message across to these guys. And apparently he does it.
Kelly:
And that's, you know what I said was, you know, the really good coaches. Right. Get the players to be more than they thought they could be. Even in this environment where you know whatever it is they need to bring out of them, they're still finding a way. So you know, good year of football, great series of podcasts, minus the one I put in the.
Chris:
The trash man.
Kelly:
Bit back. I'll take my medicine.
Chris:
All right, bud. Well, I'll, I'll. I'll remember to keep my eyes peeled for confetti, confetti and all future championship games as well.
Kelly:
That, ma'am, we want the confetti report.
Chris:
All right, I'll, I'll that'll be tucked away for.
Kelly:
All right, Chris. Thanks a lot and thanks everyone for listening to another episode of the podcast to be named later.
          1Chris:
Thanks Kelly.

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