Transcript
Transcript

Background Music
Announcer:
Welcome to The Podcast to be Named Later, where we explore the world a conversation at a time.  Sit back and enjoy.  Here are your hosts, Chris and Kelly.
Kelly:
Hello everyone, welcome back to the next episode of the podcast to be named later.
Kelly:
This is Kelly.
Kelly:
I'm here once again with my nephew Chris.
Kelly:
Hey Chris, how's it going?
Chris:
Good Kelly.
Kelly:
Looking forward to another chat.
Kelly:
You know it'll go a little bit more on football this time around.
Kelly:
Calling it kind of what we'll call our preseason to the preseason of NFL.
Kelly:
Most of the teams have finished their training camp, so they're mandatory.
Kelly:
Runs offseason drafts.
Kelly:
Obviously done.
Kelly:
NFL is kind of in a holding pattern for the next 6 or so weeks, so let's talk a little bit about what we see coming up who's looking good and injuries haven't happened yet and all that a lot of changes.
Kelly:
In the offseason here, Chris.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean that's that's the NFL we live in.
Chris:
That's the sports world we live in now.
Chris:
So a lot of movement.
Chris:
This is a a different time than it was, say when you know my father or my.
Chris:
Definitely my grandfathers day.
Chris:
So it's just you know, every year it's going.
Chris:
To be a fluid.
Chris:
Situation and guys are going to change teams.
Chris:
Coaching Staffs are going to change.
Chris:
Regularly and every news brand.
Chris:
Every year brand new.
Kelly:
When I look around what's happened in the offseason?
Kelly:
You know, I, I think the division if you will, that intrigues me the most.
Kelly:
Is the AFC West because you don't have the kind of changes that took place there that often.
Kelly:
But really, we had at least two teams with really superstar players.
Kelly:
Changing teams into that division.
Kelly:
That being Russell Wilson going from the Seattle Seahawks over to the Broncos.
Kelly:
And really another game changer in Devante Adams who actually said he took less money.
Kelly:
If you can believe it to go play with his buddy.
Kelly:
Derek Carr out in Las Vegas.
Kelly:
Really a lot of change.
Kelly:
I mean all the divisions had changed, but that one makes it a season intriguing to me.
Kelly:
What about you?
Chris:
Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt that that is at least on paper, the most competitive division, you know.
Chris:
Those are both offensive players and obviously the quarterback is always going to garner all the attention.
Chris:
And Russell Wilson is still a premier quarterback in the league.
Chris:
But Khalil Mack went to San Diego as well.
Chris:
You know he's a defensive game changer.
Chris:
You know, and that whole Division I mean, was stacked to begin with.
Chris:
Chargers were up and coming.
Chris:
Raiders were competitive.
Chris:
The Chiefs of the Chiefs, you know, one of the premier teams in the.
Chris:
League and then the the Broncos.
Chris:
You know a great franchise but maybe a little further behind.
Chris:
But I think most people believe that the the one thing that the Broncos were missing from being a real contender was a quarterback and and they got that.
Chris:
So I really, you know the Chiefs got worse losing.
Chris:
Tyreek hill
Chris:
For my money man, I mean he's he's right there for best offensive player in the league.
Chris:
I mean he's a real game changing talent, right?
Chris:
And so him leaving brings the chiefs down a little bit you at.
Chris:
I think they also lost Pringle.
Chris:
I mean it basically lost their whole receiving core with exception of Nicole Harden.
Chris:
But so with them coming down and then you got to say the Raiders improved Devante Adams.
Chris:
Also one of the premier offensive weapons in the league, he goes to a team that was already a playoff caliber team.
Chris:
And and then you know, a lot of people.
Chris:
Well, the Chargers are a lot of people, dark horse every year seems like, but you know, you got to think a third year ago in the league is usually a.
Chris:
A big step up historically for quarterbacks.
Kelly:
Yeah, I really like Justin Herbert when he was at Oregon.
Kelly:
I've always been a Oregon Duck fan I guess.
Kelly:
'cause what time I lived in Oregon, I think this is really a kind of a.
Kelly:
Show me what you got year for him really that third year for a lot of the players is because as you know most rookies.
Kelly:
Especially those first year, the team has an option to pick up the 5th year on their contracts and they kind of make that decision after this third year.
Kelly:
Yeah, exactly, and so you really see, this is the time where they're going to either shine or not.
Kelly:
You know one of the things that's interesting to me though about the AFC West here, though, is.
Kelly:
Even with all those changes, it's nothing is a lock because I think we're going to find out some things.
Kelly:
For example.
Kelly:
Yeah, Devante Adams.
Kelly:
All everything wide receiver, but keep in mind he had all everything quarterback throwing the ball to him.
Chris:
Yeah, we talked about that a little bit last time.
Chris:
Kelly, you know the we talked about shoe boxes and and the accuracy of Rodgers and the precision of Devante Adams routes, and what that combo afforded them to do.
Chris:
But Devante Adams route running is not going to fall off at all.
Chris:
I mean, he's a real pros pro from everything that I've heard about him.
Chris:
You know, he's he's made himself into what he.
Chris:
Is and you know?
Chris:
Well, Rogers, I think I don't think you can argue that that car is an equal caliber quarterback to Rodgers in terms of accuracy.
Chris:
I do, I do think for Devante Adams end of things.
Chris:
I don't think there'll be any drop off now.
Chris:
I I don't think he'll be quite as prolific as he was, but I.
Chris:
I I do think you're going to get every bit of Devante Adams that you've seen, and whatever car could do on his end is how successful that combo will be.
Kelly:
I think that's what we're going to see.
Kelly:
What is a little bit more about what is Derek Carr bringing to the table and?
Kelly:
I know they were buds in college and all that, but I wonder you know if car can't deliver the ball like Rodgers did.
Kelly:
You just hope the relationship for the two men doesn't sour?
Chris:
Yeah I know Adams then car talked basically daily even during the season while Adams was on the Packers and Carl was on the Raiders and they've remained friends ever since.
Chris:
They both got in the league and so I don't think that part.
Chris:
I think they understand you know it's been a little while since they've played together.
Chris:
I think there will be some.
Chris:
Understanding on both sides that it's going to take some time.
Kelly:
I think also Denver is going to be interesting because.
Kelly:
Well, we'll see how Russell Wilson does out there new.
Kelly:
New team obviously.
Kelly:
He made that change in college, came to a new team, played that last year with the Badgers.
Kelly:
I'd say it's going to.
Kelly:
Interesting offense, probably got a little less of a receiving core.
Kelly:
He's got Judy and a couple others, but.
Kelly:
Certainly doesn't have DK Metcalf.
Chris:
No, in the relationship with Lockett was just, you know, so much of the NFL is less reliant on actual physical capabilities and more dependent on time together.
Chris:
And we talked a little bit about my opinion of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison.
Chris:
Well, I didn't think either one of them was the premier athletic talent at.
Chris:
Their given position.
Chris:
They both worked their.
Chris:
Butts off and and ended up being one of the most prolific dual ever in NFL history, and Lockett and Wilson had a lot of time together.
Chris:
Their timing was spot on, you know.
Chris:
Just it's just how many passes have you thrown man and and so with these new guys.
Chris:
This just could take time.
Chris:
I would argue that his skill position.
Chris:
Players in Denver are actually better, and Seattle's offensive line was one of the worst in the league. I I gotta believe that's at least a push or he's benefit in a better position.

Why is that?
Kelly:
It's probably gonna put years back on his career.
Chris:
Yeah DK Metcalf so freak man.
Chris:
I mean you know there's some other similar guys in the league.
Chris:
You know Claypool out in Pittsburgh and there's there's guys who are of a similar ilk.
Chris:
But Metcalf is one of one as far as physical.
Chris:
Attributes he is an absolute human spy.
Chris:
Awesome and and so you you can't there. There aren't. There are extra of those guys man, but his receiving core in Denver is no joke man Judy so very talented. Receiver Sutton's a very talented receiver Patrick is is good man. I mean they got.
Chris:
He, uh, he's not.
Chris:
He's not.
Chris:
He didn't lose much in skilled positions, so javonte coming out of the backfield is more talented than what he had in Seattle.
Chris:
So he's got.
Chris:
He's got no excuses as far as the guys around him.
Kelly:
You know and then, uh, well, it's actually, I guess, not San Diego.
Kelly:
I still call him the San Diego Chargers, but.
Kelly:
Los Angeles Chargers.
Kelly:
You know?
Kelly:
They're they're.
Kelly:
Looking good too and like you said Khalil Mack went out there I don't think Chicago got what they thought they were getting to get out of him.
Chris:
No, I don't think Chicago got what they thought.
Chris:
They were gonna get out of any other players.
Kelly:
You know, so you gotta wonder, those at the players is that the coaching is at the environment.
Chris:
What I don't, I don't know that he had a ton of support out there too.
Chris:
We'll see.
Chris:
So you got both are coming off the other end, so.
Kelly:
That's that's a scary group to be coming at you when you're on the offense.
Chris:
Yeah, there's nowhere to hide a weak link, you know.
Chris:
So a lot of times you know, especially as you go throughout the season.
Chris:
You know you're going to have injuries.
Chris:
You're going to have guys playing physicians.
Chris:
You know you have to move your guard to tackle for a game.
Chris:
What while your tackle heals up right, you got you gotta just a try and hide your weak spot like like you know burying your work your worst.
Chris:
Fielder out in right field.
Chris:
Sometimes right things like that.
Chris:
So, uh, that you can't do that with the Chargers man.
Chris:
I mean, there's there.
Chris:
There is no place that.
Chris:
You're going to be able to hide a guy who's underperforming on the offensive line.
Chris:
They're going to be.
Chris:
I mean, they were good to begin with it last year and Khalil Mack, there's no way you're going to convince me that they're.
Chris:
Not better so.
Chris:
Whatever, however bad his numbers might have been in Chicago compared to his Raider days.
Chris:
I think I could still play football out of very high levels, so they got in my mind.
Chris:
Two of the Premier Edge defensive players in the.
Chris:
Big so yeah, they're gonna be scary.
Kelly:
So let's talk.
Kelly:
A little bit more about some other aspects of the division that are kind of off the field and kind of the other.
Kelly:
One of the other themes of our conversations here.
Kelly:
So we got you know we got Broncos, chiefs, Raiders chargers.
Kelly:
Who's got the coolest logo and why?
Kelly:
Just what one really catches your eye.
Kelly:
Right?
Chris:
Oh boy, that's an excellent question.
Chris:
You know they might.
Chris:
They might lead the league in in logos as well, so I not only do I think they're the most competitive division on the field they got, so some of the more iconic logos, the bolt for the Chargers you know, obviously.
Chris:
I I don't know you see anything.
Chris:
More than that Raider logo out there in the world.
Chris:
You know that's a
Kelly:
So take us through it.
Kelly:
What's that look like?
Chris:
So it's basically a pirate or with a helmet on with the old leather style helmet and he's got eye patch on.
Chris:
Of course, right.
Chris:
So and then with the two basically two swords crossing in the background and says Raiders cross stop.
Chris:
You know silver and black.
Chris:
It's it's symbolic of a lot of things you know and and.
Chris:
It's one of the more classic logos in in in the NFL.
Chris:
You know some guys have it real simple right package?
Chris:
I mean the Browns man, they have nothing and.
Chris:
So it's it's.
Chris:
Got orange paint.
Kelly:
I'm not talking about the team yet, dude.
Chris:
Yeah, Speaking of getting nothingman anyway.
Chris:
Watson's, in a bunch of trouble, man. I mean that was a boy.
Kelly:
Yeah, we'll get.
Chris:
There, but anyway, uh, yeah, as far as the Raiders, I mean, uh, you know for.
Chris:
Well, we'll see if the the Chiefs get to stay the chiefs, how long they get to stay the chiefs.
Chris:
I don't know everyone else seems to be losing that moniker across all the the major sports.
Chris:
So the Washington football team.
Chris:
They're their commanders.
Chris:
Now, after previously being Redskins and the Indians.
Chris:
You know from Cleveland in baseball.
Chris:
Well, you know it's the.
Kelly:
So what is the Chiefs logo?
Chris:
Just uh KNST on basically and.
Chris:
Go ahead so they have an Arrowhead kind of pointing to the right and inside of that is the Chiefs flag logo.
Chris:
With the decay in the sea.
Chris:
Kind of overlapping again classic, you know, been around for generations.
Kelly:
What color?
Chris:
So, so it's a white Arrowhead.
Chris:
With Red K&C inside.
Chris:
Love it.
Kelly:
And now let's go up to Mile High. What's Denver's look like?
Chris:
Denver recently well not recently. I don't know man. It must have been 1520 years ago that they made the change now, but they have the basically the head of a you know looks like a Mustang horse. It's a little sleeker looking, kind of angry so it has.
Chris:
A face of a horse.
Chris:
A pretty aggressive, fast looking horse right and kind of elongated and then it has orange.
Chris:
Uh, orange mane coming up coming off the top with a orange colored eyeball and looks like he's about that about to get down to business.
Chris:
You know, muscular, sleek looking.
Kelly:
And then let's go out to LA for the Chargers at all the com the bolts of lightning bolt give us.
Kelly:
Give us a rundown on that iconic.
Kelly:
Global if you will.
Chris:
Yeah, the bolts have a uh, it's that powder blue basically outline of a of a lightning bolt and then inside.
Chris:
That is a colored all yellow, so they'll have A and actually, depending on the color of the helmet underneath, they'll have another white outline around outside of the blue one, but basically like a three like a three level lightning bolt.
Chris:
Uhm, with that powder blue and and yellow inside all of them.
Chris:
Pretty classic man I.
Chris:
Mean if you.
Chris:
Made me pick one I think I.
Chris:
Think I'd probably go with the Raiders.
Chris:
But yeah, they they all have the the the same logos they've had for quite some time.
Kelly:
You know, Speaking of looks and.
Kelly:
Sulfide stadium, you know where the Rams and the Chargers play.
Kelly:
From what we've seen with that on TV and stuff.
Kelly:
How's that look as a new stadium?
Kelly:
Is it as cool?
Kelly:
As you here.
Chris:
Yeah, and you you know I I.

I I live out.
Chris:
Here and I actually haven't been to the stadium to watch a game, but I've been up in that area, you know?
Chris:
And and it's impressive, man.
Chris:
I mean, you know where it's located when they first picked that spot?
Chris:
You didn't think there was any space like in some of the ideas they had.
Chris:
Car is.
Chris:
Other surrounding you know shops and and you just didn't think there was space for it.
Chris:
And then after it was all built and everything I mean they they did a really good job.
Chris:
But yeah, it's.
Chris:
It's a you know, the next level man, kind of like when they built Jerry's world out in Dallas. It was just like something the world had ever seen and far as far as the stadiums.
Chris:
They're concerned, and then you know.
Chris:
Obviously the Rams gotta gotta.
Chris:
They're the next in line.
Chris:
Similar to you know, the way contracts go, right?
Chris:
It's it's it's.
Chris:
Just if you're next, you're going to get paid more.
Chris:
And and with the stadiums you know, whoever is next gotta do it.
Chris:
Bigger and bigger and badder, and that selfie stadium is pretty ridiculous.
Kelly:
You know, I've been I guess I find it interesting to go to stadiums and walk around for those that give you tours.
Kelly:
I did go to Jerry World a couple of years ago.
Kelly:
It is amazing how big that place is.
Chris:
Everything is bigger in Texas.
Chris:
Kelly, it's so it's not just a saying.
Kelly:
No, it was.
Kelly:
It was huge.
Kelly:
One of the coolest things though was and.
Kelly:
During the stadium tours out there like the whole field was covered with schoolkids just thrown the ball around.
Kelly:
During their tours you know how cool is that man?
Chris:
He had to be go out to be able to go out there and I believe they they used to play him.
Chris:
I think in the Cotton Bowl, but I believe all the Texas State Championship High school championships are played in there as well.
Chris:
I could be wrong about.
Chris:
That you know.
Kelly:
But I mean just to be a school kid, and I mean really.
Kelly:
I mean, they're just, you know, school kids on a tour man bring the ball and throw it around on on your own teams football field.
Kelly:
That had to be cool for those.
Chris:
Yeah, and and you know that's something that the NFL  actually does a pretty good job of being involved in in youth programs and and that's that to me, is something that.
Chris:
You know it's it's just so important man being able.
Chris:
You know, these guys are idolized by children and you know the NFL makes a lot of money.
Chris:
Man, everyone involved with that makes a lot of money and you know they should be in that giving back mode as much as possible.
Kelly:
One other interesting thing I know that they always talk about this on TV, but when you take the stadium tour of Jerry World.
Kelly:
They are.
Kelly:
Let you go so they take you to his box where you know all of his.
Kelly:
These people are, but he never watches the game from that box and there was talk about this on TV.
Kelly:
He's got a little room above that, and literally I'm in a room right now.
Kelly:
Just a room in my house that's probably bigger than the room where.
Kelly:
He tends to watch the game.
Kelly:
From it was really interesting to kind of see what that was like.
Chris:
Well, yeah and.
Chris:
I imagine if you're Jerry Jones, you can pretty much do whatever you want.

So yeah, yeah.
Chris:
Whatever, whatever makes him comfortable.
Chris:
I mean, you know, in the early days half the time he spent on the field.
Chris:
So letting the coach to know what he needed to run next, he's done a really good job of slowly stepping away from that.
Chris:
You know, I think he was probably just excited to own an NFL team and you know, we all evolve.
Chris:
And mature as we get older, and I think.
Chris:
Jerry has realized that, hey, you know I gotta get people into positions to do theirs, but yeah, you got Jerry kind of money and Jerry Jerry kind of power.
Chris:
I mean, I think Jerry gets to watch the game from wherever he wants.
Kelly:
All right, well, I won't hold you to this, but before we leave the AFC West again this is pre pre season.
Kelly:
Who's your pick?
Kelly:
Who's winning the division?
Chris:
Oh man, I you put me.
Chris:
On the spot here a little bit.
Kelly:
I'm gonna give you 2 more chances.
Kelly:
We'll do 1 previews in and we'll we'll each pick our teams at the start of the season.
Kelly:
So, but here's your pre pre season will you go?
Chris:
Well, I'll tell you what ma'am.
Chris:
It's close.
Chris:
OK, so all four of these teams, none of them would shock me.
Chris:
And obviously injuries and and just.
Chris:
It's a long season, a lot of things can happen that that could separate some teams, but if you look at just where they were and then the trajectory.
Chris:
They were on UM.
Chris:
To me, the two favorites.
Chris:
While all these teams are potential playoff teams, the two favorites are still the Chiefs and the Chargers to me and the team that I I feel might pass the other is the the Chargers.
Chris:
This year I I they just didn't suffer any losses.
Chris:
They only made additions and they were the younger.
Chris:
More up and coming team.
Chris:
So I I think that I think that the Chargers might have just enough to eek out the the Chiefs this year and and take down the divisions.
Chris:
So put me on the spot.
Chris:
You know that's the team.
Chris:
I'd probably go with.
Kelly:
It's not going to be a lot of controversy on this one then, because I'm actually my pre pre season pick is also the Chargers. I think Justin Herbert's gonna kind of really come into his own. The teams really.
Kelly:
Hasn't fallen off a lot and probably gotten better in the offseason and I think all the other teams to me.
Kelly:
As you said, none would surprise me, but all the other ones have bigger unknowns.
Kelly:
How is home a home is gonna do with a new wide receiving core and the loss so that he suffered.
Kelly:
What will Wilson do out in Denver and?
Kelly:
You know the one that the one that could?
Kelly:
It wouldn't be a surprise, but the one that could come out of nowhere if they can get it together and hopefully you stop some of their drama.
Kelly:
Carr and Adams, if they blow the NFL away, wouldn't surprise me at all.
Kelly:
And if they just ran away with the division, but we'll see.
Kelly:
After some preseason games and a little bit of practice, so I go with San Diego as well right now.
Chris:
Yeah, the Raiders. I just think roster wise top to bottom. You know it's a 53 man suit up and you know from top to bottom I I don't think the Raiders are quite as talented right now.
Chris:
But you know, Adams can can help.
Chris:
A lot and.
Chris:
You know, we'll see.
Chris:
I mean they were.
Chris:
They were, you know.
Chris:
Competitive and and fighting last year and and you think they only got better so?
Kelly:
A few 50 yard touchdown bombs.
Kelly:
Can cover up a lot of defensive load.
Chris:
Yeah, exactly so yeah, nothing would surprise me though.
Chris:
Man, that's a it's a.
Chris:
It's a pretty epic division for I.
Chris:
I don't recall.
Chris:
In quite some time where top to bottom uh team was or a division was the stacked as that one is right now.
Kelly:
Yeah, honestly. And then we'll.
Kelly:
Close up this division, but I gotta say, I mean.
Kelly:
I don't really get too excited about football say till come August, but I will say at least for the first time I can remember in a while just the changes in this division have really caught my attention.
Chris:
Yeah, I mean across the NFL.
Chris:
I mean, it's a pretty wide open I I mean, especially when you get in the AFC.
Chris:
The end of season, a little bit thinner, a little more top heavy, but the AFC?
Chris:
I mean man, there's gotta be 12 teams in the AFC that you know.
Chris:
I don't think Watson is going to get on the field for the Browns, but that is a stacked roster.
Chris:
The Bills are probably the favorite you know patriots.
Chris:
In the playoffs last year and they got another year with Matt Jones at the helm and and should be better.
Chris:
And you know the Dolphins improved.
Chris:
I mean, there's you know the the Matt Ryan to the Colts.
Chris:
That's a really solid franchise with a.
Chris:
A good set of players.
Chris:
Where it matters, you know on the offensive line and defensive front, and you know they can kind of do everything well.
Chris:
And so I mean, I mean that FC is just across the board pretty stacked this year.
Kelly:
All right, well let's close out the AFC West and we'll pick up another division.
Kelly:
Hey Chris, let's stay out on the West Coast.
Kelly:
You're home and switch over to the NFC West because.
Kelly:
That is another division that I find interesting.
Kelly:
And I think maybe it's because there's so much more.
Kelly:
Actually, uncertainty if I think about the four teams there, I see a lot of uncertainty.
Chris:
Yeah, I would agree with you so.
Chris:
Uh, you know?
Chris:
I I feel pretty good that the Seahawks are in.
Chris:
A full, you know.
Chris:
Rebuild, transition, whatever you want to call it.
Chris:
You know losing your franchise quarterback is, you know, pretty hard to overcome in the immediate.
Chris:
But the other three teams you know.
Chris:
Obviously the Rams are coming.
Chris:
Off the Super.
Chris:
Bowl the Cardinals started hot.
Chris:
Look like world beaters and then fell off both.
Chris:
In the last two years, they've done that, and then the 49ers still are.
Chris:
You know top to bottom, you know maybe the most stacked total roster.
Chris:
They've just been decimated by injuries over the last couple of years, so it's hard to know exactly what they have.
Chris:
They haven't had everybody on the field for.
Chris:
A whole season.
Chris:
But you know they have a really.
Chris:
They've done a really good job via trades and and the draft so.
Chris:
You know between the Cardinals, Rams, and 49ers? It's just you know who could play their a game the most who can? Who can.
Chris:
Play to the best of their ability.
Chris:
The best is is going to determine who wins that one.
Kelly:
I I think I think you know.
Kelly:
But like I said, I think there's, uh, just.
Kelly:
A lot of mysteries here and we can start with the Rams I mean.
Kelly:
You know, climbing the mountain once is is hard.
Kelly:
Staying up there for many teams we see it your time after time.
Kelly:
Whatever that Super Bowl, hangover or just are you as hungry as you were or who knows what?
Kelly:
Do all the bounces go your way?
Kelly:
I mean they have done an incredible job.
Kelly:
I don't know how they do it within a salary cap era at signing players and giving their own players money.
Kelly:
Maybe they got to pay the piper down the road, but to me.
Kelly:
That's a big mystery.
Kelly:
You know what will they do?
Kelly:
And the Cardinals I, I just haven't figured them out.
Kelly:
Started out like a House of fire if you will and just fell apart at the end.
Chris:
Yeah, that's been their MO the last couple years is, you know, start out and and the winner.
Chris:
Much games people didn't think you would win and you know about midway through the season people start to give you the respect you think you deserve and then by the end of it all you realize.
Chris:
Oh no, they're exactly who we thought they were.
Kelly:
And you know, you just hear mixed mixed things about the quarterback about his.
Kelly:
Kind of.
Kelly:
Obviously he's got the skills, but one of the things I have often said you know at this level, a lot of the players have the skills.
Kelly:
I think there's a lot of emotion that comes into play and to see him mostly invested in the Cardinals.
Chris:
Yeah, that's a you know, only he can tell you that I think you know I I don't know.
Chris:
Everything that transpired.
Chris:
I do know there was a lot of speculation like immediately following the season.
Chris:
Some social media leaks and and you know, it's hard to say, man, you know, Kyler Murray is the one of the most exciting players in the league.
Chris:
And you know, the way he moves.
Chris:
On the football field.
Chris:
Really, it's like nobody else.
Chris:
He's twitch here than any of the other quarterbacks in the league.
Chris:
And yeah, there's other good quality running quarterbacks and guys who can make things happen with their legs.
Chris:
Lamar, Jackson, you know, has his style and and you know Josh Allen is a little bit more brute.
Chris:
Using and just a little bigger bodied and stuff, but Kyler Murray his ability to to to go get side to side and straight ahead.
Chris:
It's just there's really not anybody else in the league that that does it to the level he does the way he.
Chris:
Does it?
Kelly:
Yeah, so let's let's go into that a little more again.
Kelly:
Remember the the.
Kelly:
Old football announcer will say the same thing.
Kelly:
Yeah, Murray really moves well side by side and all that give give us the what's what's that really mean and what do you see going on when you're talking about that?
Kelly:
What are these guys doing?
Chris:
Well so a guy a guy.
Chris:
Like Kyler Murray, you know, he, he's just.
Chris:
Well, he's light anyway.
Chris:
He's he's he's smaller in stature and so you know he doesn't have to move quite as much a mass as as some other guys do.
Chris:
And when you hear the word twitchy a lot and.
Chris:
His ability to be running to his right.
Chris:
And then come to a complete stop.
Chris:
And then get going again, similar to like a Barry Sanders.
Chris:
You know, Barry Sanders is a little bigger bodied and everything, but, uh, played a different position, but but he's maybe one of the best.
Chris:
All times at being able to get to top speed in the fewest steps, so you think about like a train or.
Chris:
A car or.
Chris:
Anything right, you know a body of mass.
Chris:
It takes a while to get it's top speed.
Chris:
You know you it.
Chris:
It takes a few steps.
Chris:
And Kyler Murray just seems to get to top speed within like 2 steps, where most guys it would take more like 8 to 10, right?
Chris:
And that ability to move at his top speed in in a short distance allows him to get away from people, and so you know, it's like he looks like he's playing tag.
Chris:
Up there, Kelly, you know you, you just can't get a hand on him.
Chris:
And if you if you can't touch the guy you can't tackle.
Chris:
The guy right?
Chris:
So while he's not very big and arm tackle might be able to bring him down, nobody can get their arms around him 'cause he moves too fast so.
Chris:
You know the guys do it differently, right? Like I said Josh Allen's a little more powerful and you you might not.
Chris:
He might not.
Chris:
Be able to elude quite as well, but.
Chris:
He's stronger and.
Chris:
So you know an arm tackle is not enough to bring him down.
Chris:
You gotta get your whole body on him, and Kyler Murray does it a little different where you know he's running to his right.
Chris:
He just comes to a complete stop and as a defender you know you're to everything so much of the NFL is angles right.
Chris:
It's it's.
Chris:
Uh, trying to match up your speed with the angle that you're taking to where you anticipate offensive players gonna be, and so a guy who's fast like Kyler Murray and is running, let's say to his right?
Chris:
Well, the defender is taking an angle that he thinks he can.
Chris:
Catch up to that to Kyler Murray, right?
Chris:
And he's running at top speed as well.
Chris:
Well, the other guy doesn't stop as fast as Kyler can, so you know, as they're both running figure, figure out like the, you know, the two angles of a triangle trying to come to the point, right?
Chris:
Well, if Kyler just stops just short of that point, the defensive guy ends up running by him, and he does.
Chris:
That about as well as anybody in the league, you know, and he could do that in a short distance.
Chris:
So now that's one defender, but usually there's 234 or five coming after you, and his ability to, you know, slide side to side and make each one of those guys miss him somehow is is pretty incredible to watch.
Kelly:
When a totally random question but just thinking about all the running around and everything that goes on in the football game.
Kelly:
When they're when you're watching a game on TV, can you see the player's facial expressions through the helmet?
Kelly:
And if you can, if you can.

Sometimes, yeah.
Kelly:
Like when a quarterback throws an interception.
Kelly:
What do you what do you?
Kelly:
See going on there.
Chris:
Well, I guess that depends.
Chris:
Who's fault it?
Chris:
Was so you know some guys are are, uh, a little more animated than others and some sort of some people hide their expressions a little better than others.
Chris:
Know Peyton Manning?
Chris:
Was always a classic he had, so the helmets are all different.
Chris:
Kelly so and and the face masks are all different and you know each I I think there's a handful of choices, right?
Chris:
So I don't think you get to design your own face masks.
Chris:
Like I think.
Chris:
There's a handful of different ones that, depending on what position you play.
Chris:
It'll determine what kind of face mask you wear, right?
Chris:
Well, Peyton Manning if you could picture this, wore a helmet that for whatever reason, maybe it's just his head.
Chris:
He's got a giant forehead, but but you could see a lot of his face in his face mask.
Chris:
The opening was real big, you know where where his eyes were.
Chris:
It just had more space.
Chris:
Right, and so you know, he was a pretty classic guy.
Chris:
Aaron Rodgers is another one.
Chris:
You know that you'll see.
Chris:
I don't know what the right word is.
Chris:
You'll see his disappointment in his young receiver for not making a catch.
Chris:
The air and thought he should make and Marc Marquez Valdes Scantling would pull a lot of those facial expressions out of Aaron Rodgers.
Chris:
Just hear him kind of shaking his head and looking like a a disappointed father.
Chris:
Uhm, and you know. So if the quarterback, if it's his fault that he threw it, you know a lot of times you could see that in his face. And if it was the receiver's fault that the intercept should happen.

Right?
Chris:
You you know a lot of times you'll.
Kelly:
See that as well, well, so let's go back a little bit a little bit in NFL history.
Kelly:
Probably the king of interceptions.
Kelly:
The old gunslinger, Brett Favre.
Kelly:
What do you what was his facial expression when he threw an interception?
Chris:
He never seemed to care much.

So you know of all.
Chris:
The The NFL players who who played the quarterback position.
Chris:
And I don't.
Chris:
I don't think interceptions were bothered anyone less than Brett Favre.
Kelly:
Even if I figured.
Chris:
You know.
Chris:
He just.
Kelly:
I got an interception that time, but I'll get a.
Kelly:
Touchdown on the next one, yeah.
Chris:
I think that was just came into his mentality you.

Know that was who he was.
Chris:
You know it.
Chris:
It never seemed to.
Chris:
Now after the play was over, you know, especially you know, I mean he was.
Chris:
Famous, you know, famously had some pretty costly interceptions in playoff games that cost the Packers an opportunity to to advance and.
Kelly:
Yeah yeah, let's say giants.
Kelly:
Yeah, Lambeau Field freezing cold.
Kelly:
All the time last game.
Kelly:
Remember that one all too well.
Chris:
Yeah Brett, you know Brett Brett was just a unique.
Chris:
Football player entirely, man.
Chris:
That's why you so beloved is just he just was having fun and he while he was incredible at the game and and one of the best all time to play the position, it just never seemed like he took it too seriously.
Chris:
He was little, he was just out there to have a good time and have fun.
Chris:
Obviously a tremendous competitor.
Chris:
I mean, he wanted to win that there.
Chris:
There's no question that, but yeah, yeah, he just was just a a different kind of guy man where he just he just wanted to have a good time and wanted to play football and.
Kelly:
So all right, let's let's bounce back out to the NFC West for a minute and.
Kelly:
Who who's got the best logo of that division and walk us through all those logos?
Chris:
Well, the 49ers is a pretty simple one. They just have an S and an F, so that's kind of a oblong like egg shaped and then they have the black, black outer trim. It's a combination of that kind of Crimson color.
Chris:
Uhm and uh from Arun don't don't get upset with me 49ers fans if I'm if I'm guessing your color wrong. But it's it's a kind of a darker red. And then as the black outline has that that gold tan trim in there and then they have a white S&F kind of overlapping each other.
Chris:
And that's been their logo for a long time.
Chris:
Uhm, pretty simple clean.
Chris:
Uh, Seahawks have a, uh?
Chris:
Like a blue and Gray.
Chris:
Well, it says Seahawk.
Chris:
I guess if that's the thing and and just kind of a.
Chris:
A sleek bird kind of kind of angry with some with a green eye.
Chris:
They, they've, they've changed their like logo a number of times over the years and been with this one for a while.
Chris:
The Cardinals they got a cardinal.
Chris:
And it looks pretty much like a carnival, you know, football teams tend to try and like make their.
Chris:
The mascots look as as tough as they can, right?
Chris:
So, same thing he's do.
Chris:
Everyone scowling everyone angry, right?
Chris:
So they got.
Chris:
They got a cardinal, but he's he's a little on the angry side.
Chris:
Red bird with some black trim, a little white outline and then eat.
Kelly:
You find a lot of Cardinals in the desert.
Chris:
Yeah, exactly I.
Chris:
I think they all migrated from Saint Louis maybe.
Chris:
Yeah, and you know the Rams.
Chris:
I'm wondering so they have.
Chris:
They've had like a a series of logos that they've used and I I'm not sure so they they got this LA thing. Now it's an L and an A.
Chris:
You know, white, blue and yellow to correspond with with the color scheme of the team, but the the.
Chris:
One I always like.
Chris:
They always like.
Chris:
Those yellow horns and the the Rams have these blue helmets with the yellow horns on them.
Chris:
I'm kind of wrapping around either side.
Chris:
And I don't know they've they've bounced around.
Chris:
They also had a ram like an actual like picture of a like a ram on the side of the helmet.
Chris:
So to be honest with.
Chris:
You, I'm not sure exactly what the Rams logo is right now.
Chris:
I think they might jump around a little bit.
Kelly:
So just kind of listening to you talk about them all.
Kelly:
It doesn't sound like any of these logos are really.
Kelly:
World beating making you jump up and down had a lot more energy on the AFC West.
Kelly:
Is that a fair assessment or they just dropped?
Kelly:
Kind of there.
Chris:
It is, yeah.
Chris:
I, I mean, I haven't gone division by.
Chris:
Division Kelly I.
Chris:
I'd have to go.
Chris:
I look at them all, but I'd I'd have to say that the.
Chris:
Uh NFC West would be in my bottom.
Chris:
You know my.
Chris:
Bottom three of divisions, as far as their effort put into a logo.
Kelly:
Well, well, logos might not be super fascinating, Chris, but again our pre preseason pick who's taking the division for you?
Chris:
I mean to be honest, man. I think it's really in my mind. A2 horse race so I wouldn't be surprised if you know Arizona is competitive competitive again.
Chris:
And but for me, you know the Rams won the Super Bowl last year.
Chris:
You know.
Chris:
Obviously there got to be a favorite.
Chris:
And then I think you know, it just boils down to health man. I mean if the 49ers can keep their the roster healthy, I do believe that they can contend for a Super Bowl. So it comes down to those two teams and.
Chris:
He had I hard to pick against the Rams.
Chris:
Like I said, they just won the Super Bowl.
Chris:
So if I had to pick one right now, pretty preseason.
Chris:
I'll just go with the incumbent and take the Rams.
Kelly:
I'm gonna go a little bit against you on this one.
Kelly:
Just because I think that hangover I, I think it's going to hit the Rams a little bit.
Kelly:
I just I just think it might.
Kelly:
And if they can hold their health, I, I think the 49ers were really coming on strong.
Kelly:
And I think that I just see that.
Kelly:
I think they're going to put it together a little better.
Kelly:
Yeah, but.
Kelly:
I think both those two teams are probably making the playoffs for sure.
Chris:
Yeah, a lot of it comes down to health.
Chris:
I don't disagree with you know you know the 49ers were charging at the tail end of the season last year and and they're built the right way, right? So they they run the ball, they play defense. That stuff travels. It's consistent.
Chris:
So I I.
Chris:
Your pick wouldn't surprise me at all.
Chris:
They're they're a good football team.
Kelly:
Well, of all the stuff in this Division I mean the thing that's really.
Kelly:
I don't know if I'd say interesting.
Kelly:
I guess a little bit disappointing 'cause I used to live there, uh?
Kelly:
The the Hawks really just.
Kelly:
They're just like.
Kelly:
Totally out of the picture.
Chris:
Yeah, I don't know what the over under on wins for them is set at right now, but I bet it's pretty low.
Chris:
They are are.
Chris:
Just too many pieces away, and then I mean there were too many pieces away even when they had a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback and then to lose him.
Chris:
You know they got a couple really nice players on that team, but you know top to bottom man their their roster is just not good enough.
Chris:
I don't think especially should.
Kelly:
Well, Chris, we've gotten through two of the divisions in this kind of interesting offseason of the NFL and.
Kelly:
Really kind of curious to see how this year is going to shake out and we've got a lot more.
Kelly:
Well, four more divisions.
Kelly:
And to talk about but.
Kelly:
So as always, enjoyed the conversation and I'll.
Kelly:
Hope our listeners do.
Chris:
Yeah, me too. Kelly may always love talking with you. It's just exciting. You know the NBA Finals just came to an end, and hockey's in the the third game of the Stanley Cup as we're recording this.
Chris:
And so we're, uh, we're.
Chris:
Getting there man.
Chris:
And now it's it's time to to transition full.
Chris:
Go into the NFL season.
Chris:
So I'm excited, man, I'm excited.
Chris:
To get an opportunity to talk more with you coming in the weeks to come.
Kelly:
Well thanks again Chris and thanks to everybody for listening to the podcast to be named later and we'll talk to you in the next episode.
Chris:
Alright bye Kelly.